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Worried about DS2's progress - please advise!

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crunchyfrog · 28/02/2015 17:22

DS2 is the youngest of 3, DD 11 and DS1, 9.

He's 6. He is NT as far as I can tell. (DS1 has HFA, DS2 is not showing signs of this.)

He is in P2 (y1 in England) He has a problem with his speech - the cause is not yet determined, but he sounds like a child with glue ear. 8 hearing tests thus far have found 1 instance of mild glue ear, however, and apparently normal hearing. He cannot hear the difference between vowels and many other sounds, cannot reproduce them in isolation (he is now beginning to be able to do "g" and "c" with significant modelling/ input from family.)

He knows 7 "sounds" by sight - s, a, t, p, n, m. That is literally it. He can use those ones to make words using e.g. milk bottle tops, and can sound those words out.

He can't reliably count to 20. (13 and 14 are the same sounds to him, and 16 is usually absent.)

I'm really starting to worry, and I don't know how to help. This year's teacher is pretty rubbish (we had problems when DS1 was in the class, too.) Homework coming in is so far beyond DS2's abilities that it's actually laughable - "ff" and "ll" words? Next years teacher is also the SENCO and very good.

He's been referred to ENT (again) but there could be a 6 month wait. Considering private if I can manage to afford it. In the meantime, his self-esteem is at rock bottom, he has no confidence and I have a feeling that he is being bullied.

Today he was at a party, and I had to go and fetch him early because he was so distressed by the noise (to be fair, the reason I couldn't stay was because it is a noisy venue, and DS1 could not have coped with it.)

Anyone BTDT, or any advice? Please?

BTW, working at home with him is slightly tricky as I am a lone parent and work FT - we don't get home until 6pm most nights, he's far to tired to start phonicy things at that time!

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Ferguson · 28/02/2015 18:04

I was a TA / helper in primary schools for over twenty years, and I'll give you some ideas which may possibly help, but it does sound like you really need professional support. Is the school SENCo involved yet? Is there a good TA in the class who could give him more support?

ONE - An inexpensive and easy to use book, that can encourage children with reading, spelling and writing, and really help them to understand Phonics, is reviewed in the MN Book Reviews section. Just search ‘Phonics’.

TWO -When I worked with less able Yr2 children, who were finding learning to read particularly difficult, we often used a SoundWorks kit, which consisted of a set of wooden letter blocks, which the child used to build simple words.? The theory was that, for some children, it is easier to SPELL words than READ them, which is a later stage.

It started with three-letter words, with a vowel in the middle - "a" glued onto a board.

The child then looked at the individual letter blocks, and was asked to make the word "c a t". Then he was asked, how do we change "c a t" into "h a t", which letter do we need to change? Then change "hat" into "ham" (with an emphasis on the "mmmm" sound).

Work slowly, and pronounce the sounds accurately and clearly. This approach was used with our Yr2 children who had been unable to make progress with more conventional methods of learning to read. It is rather time-consuming, and ideally needs resources to be made, but it does work very well.

So, if you can find or make suitable letters, and make a card with "a" glued in the middle, your child may enjoy building the words. Use letters that are occurring in words in the books he is bringing home, and then go on to make cards for the other vowels if it seems to work with "a".

THREE -
Practical things are best for grasping number concepts - bricks, Lego, beads, counters, money, shapes, weights, measuring, cooking.

Do adding, taking away, multiplication (repeated addition), division (sharing), using REAL OBJECTS as just 'numbers' can be too abstract for some children.

Number Bonds of Ten forms the basis of much maths, so try to learn them. Using Lego or something similar, use a LOT of bricks (of just TWO colours, if you have enough) lay them out so the pattern can be seen of one colour INCREASING while the other colour DECREASES. Lay them down, or build up like steps.

So:

ten of one colour none of other
nine of one colour one of other
eight of one colour two of other
seven of one colour three of other

etc,

then of course, the sides are equal at 5 and 5; after which the colours 'swap over' as to increasing/decreasing.

To learn TABLES, do them in groups that have a relationship, thus:

x2, x4, x8

x3, x6, x12

5 and 10 are easy

7 and 9 are rather harder.

Starting with TWO times TABLE, I always say: "Imagine the class is lining up in pairs; each child will have a partner, if there is an EVEN number in the class. If one child is left without a partner, then the number is ODD, because an odd one is left out."

Use Lego bricks again, lay them out in a column of 2 wide to learn 2x table. Go half way down the column, and move half the bricks up, so that now the column is 4 bricks wide. That gives the start of 4x table.

Then do similar things with 3x and 6x.

With 5x, try and count in 'fives', and notice the relationship with 'ten' - they will alternate, ending in 5 then 10.

It is important to try and UNDERSTAND the relationships between numbers, and not just learn them 'by rote'.

An inexpensive solar powered calculator (no battery to run out!) can help learn tables by 'repeated addition'. So: enter 2+2 and press = to give 4. KEEP PRESSING = and it should add on 2 each time, giving 2 times table.

There are good web sites, which can be fun to use :

www.ictgames.com/

www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/page/default.asp?title=Woodlands%20Junior%20School&pid=1

crunchyfrog · 28/02/2015 18:33

Wow, great comprehensive response, thanks!

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Killasandra · 28/02/2015 21:25

I think you should investigate some of the auditory therapies available.

For example
Auditory integration training
Forebrain
Fast forword

YouMeddlingKids · 28/02/2015 22:03

Interested because DS1 has similar issues (I have no advice OP, sorry!)
Thanks Ferguson for your expertise, that's a really helpful post Grin

orangepudding · 28/02/2015 22:10

Does your son have a speech therapist?

My son is also 6 and has similar difficulties, can't count to 20 yet and also couldn't until recently use 'c' and 'g' sounds. He has been diagnosed with verbal dyspraxia, so we have a reason for his speech difficulties and weekly speech thearphy to help.
He has lots of input at school for his counting and phonics but isn't really progressing.

PurpleAlert · 28/02/2015 22:56

I work with deaf children and we use a system called visual phonics- might be worth a look- I have profoundly deaf pupils with BSL as their first language and no intelligible speech who have made astounding progress with spelling using this method. Google Visual Phonics Babs Day for more info.

crunchyfrog · 28/02/2015 23:08

Thank you everyone!

orange he gets 6 weeks twice a year, with an NHS therapist. Since he was 2 and had no speech at all. I genuinely think he's deaf or can't process sounds effectively,

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crunchyfrog · 28/02/2015 23:11

Sorry, lost half of post! Who did you see for the diagnosis?

His older brother has a bunch of issues and many people are trying to get DS2 labeled with ASD, including his crappy teacher, but he just does not have it. Something developmental is going on, but not ASD.

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Messygirl · 28/02/2015 23:22

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teafor1 · 01/03/2015 07:58

Could it be auditory processing disorder? My son has this. He doesn't have trouble with phonics but his hearing in background noise is poor. Plus concentration in background is hard for him. I have read that for some kids with APD phonics, reading and hearing certain sounds is difficult.

poppy70 · 01/03/2015 10:12

APD never appears alone. Please be V vigilant with your son for other learning disabilies. The freaking out with the noise is a ASD trait as is the delayed speech. What did the reception to teacher say? If there was an issue like spectrum issues she would be the one to pick up on it or she should be.

crunchyfrog · 01/03/2015 13:03

No issues in P1 other than speech. Same in Nursery. He has excellent imaginative play, good social imagination. Communication is impaired due to unintelligibility. I really don't see ASD.

I did ask the GP to send us for a multidisciplinary assessment, but they want to wait until after ENT. And the wait list is huge.

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Killasandra · 01/03/2015 17:57

But his learning difficulties must have been obvious in P1.

There are lots of developmental difficulties which aren't ASD or glue ear.

I don't think hearing problems explains all of his learning difficulties.

legohurtswhenyoustandonit · 01/03/2015 18:31

I've namechanged for this post as some of it could "out" me. Some of what you wrote in your post reminded me of my DS, especially not being able to hear the difference between thirteen and fourteen or being able to make sounds in isolation. DS also had a lot of speech therapy. Looking back, I suspect he struggled to hear phonics sounds in a large classroom environment and he fell behind.

I found I had to go back to the start of phonics and go through each sound individually with DS. I sat opposite him so he could see where my tongue was in my mouth and I described how to make each sound. That seemed to help him a lot. Until I did this with him he had no idea that the vowels were different sounds and he didn't get many other phonics sounds right either. I'm afraid it was very time consuming. Alphablocks helped a lot once he had the basic sounds.

Messygirl · 01/03/2015 18:35

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teafor1 · 01/03/2015 19:31

poppy70. I'm interested to know the source they definitively proves that APD can't be stand-alone.

mrz · 01/03/2015 21:52

APD can coexist with other disorders but it can also exist alone

teafor1 · 02/03/2015 07:43

Thanks mrz. That is what I thought as well.

DeeWe · 02/03/2015 11:12

It does sound similar, but more extreme than ds, who has bad glue ear. Particualrly the noise thing-I used to explain to people that he would come late to parties as he could only cope with that sort of noise for about 30-45 minutes. If the party was on soft play (or whatever) for an hour he couldn't cope. So we'd arrive late.

One thing is when has he been tested for glue ear. Just that you really want to be tested January/February time idealy. Ds will get mild glue ear results about May through to June, and nearly clear about July through to mid September. However he can be all but totally deaf in December through to end of February. I've learnt to make sure his hearing tests are at the poor times (and ENT agrees) as there's no use getting a brilliant hearing result in August when it doesn't reflect what he goes through the rest of the time.

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