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Reading and Spelling

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sbm78 · 10/02/2015 12:29

Hi all, My daughter is in yr2. She's not great at reading (not sure of level) but my main question is about spellings.

This term she brought home some spellings including hopeless, tension, greatly....

She can only just read some 4 letter words how is she meant to spell words?
Can you spell words before being able to read them?

Confused.

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catkind · 10/02/2015 14:02

Definitely reading before spelling here. But you could use spellings to help learn the phonics patterns so also help with reading? Do they come in sensible phonics groupings at all?

Just memorising spellings for the sake of it is a waste of time imo. (I think someone said there's even evidence for that - anyone got a link?)

Time for a chat with the teacher I think, find out what they're after.

Killasandra · 10/02/2015 15:39

You're right. She shouldn't be bringing home spellings she can't even read.

You need to speak to the teacher and ask for easier words - or no words.

I would also talk to the teacher about her reading. Find out how far behind she is and what school are doing about it.....

Ferguson · 10/02/2015 18:28

Two things that may help a bit:

ONE -
An inexpensive and easy to use book, that can encourage children with reading, spelling and writing, and really help them to understand Phonics, is reviewed in the MN Book Reviews section. Just search ‘Phonics’.

TWO -
When I worked with less able Yr2 children, who were finding learning to read particularly difficult, we often used a SoundWorks kit, which consisted of a set of wooden letter blocks, which the child used to build simple words.? The theory was that, for some children, it is easier to SPELL words than READ them, which is a later stage.

It started with three-letter words, with a vowel in the middle - "a" glued onto a board.

The child then looked at the individual letter blocks, and was asked to make the word "c a t". Then he was asked, how do we change "c a t" into "h a t", which letter do we need to change? Then change "hat" into "ham" (with an emphasis on the "mmmm" sound).

Work slowly, and pronounce the sounds accurately and clearly. This approach was used with our Yr2 children who had been unable to make progress with more conventional methods of learning to read. It is rather time-consuming, and ideally needs resources to be made, but it does work very well.

So, if you can find or make suitable letters, and make a card with "a" glued in the middle, your child may enjoy building the words. Use letters that are occurring in words in the books he is bringing home, and then go on to make cards for the other vowels if it seems to work with "a".

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I'll try and come back, to see what progress is made.

mrz · 10/02/2015 19:56

Teach her to break the words into syllables for reading and spelling ...hope +less , ten+sion & great+ly etc

Spelling usually lags slightly behind reading and she needs to know how to cope with words of more than one syllable

Buttercupsandaisies · 10/02/2015 21:09

Are they tied to phonics? Dd brings home words with hs sound but hs can be spelt sh (ship), si (tension) and ti (mention). So it may seem odd but actually helping them read too.

Buttercupsandaisies · 10/02/2015 21:09

Sh not hs sorry!

Lazaretto · 10/02/2015 21:13

I would be concerned if she is finding it difficult to read 4 letter words and getting these types of words for spelling. Make no sense. Speak to the teacher.

Buttercupsandaisies · 10/02/2015 21:17

If they are tied to phonis though the spelling will help her read. They do with dd who is y2. They get a sound each week with say 9 spellings but each set of 3 will be the same sound spelt differently.

E.g. Sound oo spellings were

U_E. Like use, value,
UE like argue, due,
EW like stew, few

So oo isn't always spelt oo. It helps dd with reading so ask teacher but my guess is it's related to the class phonics.

sbm78 · 12/02/2015 11:16

Thank you all. The spellings aren't related to the phonics, I feel they pluck them out the sky

All the children in the class got the same spellings, even the less able. They get a reward of film club if they do well, my DD hasn't been to one of them yet. It's unfair and I will be bringing this up again at parents evening after half term.

Thanks for all your advise I will try it. I've also downloaded lots of reading/spelling games on the Ipad which is playing at the moment rather than the games she was playing

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catkind · 12/02/2015 14:05

That sounds desperately unfair Sad Please do bring it up with the teacher, and take it higher if you don't get a good response.

PastSellByDate · 12/02/2015 14:37

sbm78:

I suspect the teacher is getting the word list from this: www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/239784/English_Appendix_1_-_Spelling.pdf - and indeed hopeless features on page 9 of Y2 spellings.

So the teacher isn't being unfair in the sense that the government is suggesting this is what Year 2 pupils should be doing - but the fact your child is clearly struggling should be alerting you to the fact they need help.

Now this could be coming from school - one to one work/ reading with a volunteer/ small group work targeted to raising achievement/ etc.... and it's worth asking the school what they're doing for your child if you don't know that they are doing anything extra.

At home - my advice is to work on those phonics skills. So getting her to read to you as much as you can. It will only be for short bursts (maybe 10 - 15 minutes a night) - but encourage her to try, support the effort, lots of praise and give her a rest on bad days/ when ill/ when tired - and read to her yourself.

I used to alternate - so if DD1 (who also really struggled to learn to read) read one sentence well, I'd read the next page. Then we gradually increased her reading, if she read one paragraph well, I'd read the next page. Then we went to every other page (she used to check ahead to work out which pages had most pictures and pick evens/ odds first - the cheat!) - but the point was it got her reading.

I also read books her friends were reading (like Harry Potter/ Spiderwick Chronicles/ Lemony Snicket) to her - letting her follow my finger as I read. It meant she could talk about the books with friends - but I think just listening to me read and seeing the word on the page as I read helped too.

I won't say we solved this quickly. School put her into an accelerated reading programme in year 4 - but by end of Year 4 she was reading virtually on her own and very well. She still struggles to read confidently out loud - but otherwise she's doing really well.

Little & often will get you there in the end. Just keep sending her the message you know she'll get there in the end. It genuinely isn't a race - although I know it can feel like it sometimes.

HTH

sbm78 · 19/02/2015 12:58

Thanks you HTH... We are doing all that you have suggested (apart from reading books that her friends are reading as I don't know what they are reading)

But reading together, taking it in turns and she is trying really really hard. The school are doing a sponsored reading challenge which is really keen on doing. She wants to read every night which is great news!

Thank you all. X

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