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Sythetic phonics hell: any KS1 teachers/parents with soothing words?

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Notnowcato · 09/12/2014 17:41

So, DS2 is learning to read. He loves books. We read them together ever day. Lots of them. All sorts. Just as my DD and DS1 did.

He has 'learned' quite a few words because he recognises them. He makes others up, from context. The story moves along. He 'reads' aloud with expression and he laughs at the jokes. This is at home. At school, he crumples into tears in front of 'b-a-t' and says he can't do it and he's rubbish at reading. [I know because I help in the classroom.]

So I say to the teacher: "What are we doing here. We are destroying his love of stories. Why do we have to do synthetic phonics? You [teacher] and I didn't learn to read like this. My older daughter (now 12, level 6 reading and writing in Year 6 and is currently at the top of her 'Accelerated Reader scheme in Year 7) didn't learn to read like this. Leave him with me (he reads at home to me every day, I read to him every day). By the time he is in year 2 he will be reading fine." But no. She says he must sound out words so that he "understands" them. But he doesn't understand 'the cat sat on the mat' because he is crying. He does understand Alan Ahlberg's Crazy Fox stories because he tells me all about the silly fox and the lovely dog for hours afterwards.

Now were I being cynical (who me?), I might say that the teacher is more concerned with getting my son to 'pass' his phonics test at the end of the year, than she is in keeping the love of reading alive in him.

Thank you for the space to vent! [I hasten to add that I say nothing to undermine the teacher in front of my son, either at home or at school. We read his Read Write Inc. level 1 books very quickly and then go on to more interesting books.]

More practically, what can less angry parents/sympathetic teachers suggest about how I tackle this, given that my darling boy has another two terms of this teacher to endure. I really think that he is starting to hate reading at school. I really don't care if he fails his phonics test, I just want him to enjoy reading as much as his siblings do.

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mrz · 09/12/2014 20:16

Unfortunately that isn't true

mrz · 09/12/2014 20:17

Sorry crossed posts that was to LePetitM

AuntieStella · 09/12/2014 20:19

"as above all you want kids reading,the more kids read the better they get"

So true. And also that rare thing for which there is an evidence base.

Phonics gets the most kids reading and fastest (more than any other single method or combination of methods).

After all, which would you choose - a way (or ways) that which gets around 80% or a way that gets over 90%?

Especially if you didn't know if your child would fall in the 10% disparity?

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 20:19

Errrr sorry it is.

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 20:20

And the straight jacket approach then kills off their enthusiasm.

mrz · 09/12/2014 20:24

What do you do when you meet a "new" word LePetit? Guess?

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 20:26

Quit with your patronising thanks.I won't be bullied.

I use a variety of techniques.Simply being able to sound a word out is pointless for me these days.I use my knowledge of root words,a bit of phonics and context.

So sue me.Hmm

mrz · 09/12/2014 20:28

Straight forward question

mrz · 09/12/2014 20:32

Google 4th grade slump/dip for research that shows its not the case

spanieleyes · 09/12/2014 20:37

I can't think of anything more likely to kill off enthusiasm for reading than having to guess words because I have no idea how to read them. Phonics gives children the skills to read ANY book, not just those they have memorised. If anything is likely to instil in children an enthusiasm for reading is the knowledge that they can ready anything they want to!

mymatemax · 09/12/2014 20:38

INDIVIDUALISED LEARNING!!! That's all ;)

Chandon · 09/12/2014 20:41

I never learned phonics in my mother tongue, or for English.

If I would, would I have known how to pronounce:

Dandelion (i said dandee-leeon, until I was corrected) Blush

And Edinburgh (edin-burg, but I soon learned) and Fowey I did not now was pronounced Foye.

Just a few examples. I can often not predict how to pronounce a new word. Is that because I never learned phonics?

It can be embarrassing.

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 20:42

4th grade slump do share.Hmm

Not saying phonics isn't important,(I used them)however a one size fits all and a reading straight jacket chucks the baby out with the bath water imvho.

Feenie · 09/12/2014 20:42

It's straitjacket Grin

Comes from strait meaning narrow; restricted as to space or room; close.

Ahhh, etymology is a wonderful thing. Smile

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 20:47

Pmsl Hmm

Speed typing on an Ipad whilst eating doesn't ensure perfect typing.

maizieD · 09/12/2014 20:55

Maizie, imo finding out the underlying principles yourself is a higher level of "learning" than being told them.

What an extraordinary statement. Are you a teacher, Chandon?

CharlesRyder · 09/12/2014 20:59

The shitty tone mrz, maizieD and Feenie use on these threads is getting close to bullying and is really unpleasant.

I really hope none of you deliver training.

maizieD · 09/12/2014 21:01

AH, but you wrote it as 'straightjacket' in two separate posts. Once is accidental, twice looks deliberate Wink

petalunicorn · 09/12/2014 21:03

OP, you compare your DS to your older children. I have several dc too, and one of them has taken a lot longer to learn to read than the others, despite me giving the same types of encouragement. Just something to ponder. My own amateur observations are that some children learn extremely quickly regardless of method used, and perhaps your other dc are these types of children.

catkind · 09/12/2014 21:10

Actually the mistake is so common that straightjacket is now an accepted alternative spelling. Had a very long discussion with someone about that once, can't remember why! Straight-laced should also be strait-laced but the former has become the more common of the two.

Feenie · 09/12/2014 21:11

I don't think anyone has been unpleasant, CharlesRyder - apart from you, just now. Agreeing with other posters and not with others is not bullying - it's a debate. It's how forums work.

Do feel free to report if you feel posts truly are horrible. You should probably start with your own, though.

Feenie · 09/12/2014 21:14

So I see from the Cambridge dictionary, catkind.

See, etymology is a wonderful thing Wink

LePetitMarseillais · 09/12/2014 21:27

Sorry I agree with Charles the normal henchmen who appear on these posts are bullies and frankly as this is a board for parents(you have a staff room section) need to rein it in- a lot.

Feenie · 09/12/2014 21:44

It's actually a board on which parents regularly ask teachers - and other parents - for advice. Lots of teachers share their expertise, whether pro-phonics or not.

I can only see a few posts which are unpleasant, tbh - they aren't from the people you've mentioned. There are several people on both sides of the debate, not just three, and posts on both sides have been mostly good-looking humoured.

Feenie · 09/12/2014 21:46

Stray 'looking' in there.

Now you see, predictive text is not a wonderful thing.

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