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Reading level tested every half term Only

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Hooliesmoolies · 10/10/2014 09:24

My dd's current teacher/ta will only test children once every half term to see if they are on the right reading level. I'm a bit annoyed they have such a rigid policy. Part of me says that if my dd is reading the wrong level at school (hypothetically), it doesn't matter too much for 4 weeks or so, if they put her on the right level. But the other part is worried about her not really being given the opportunity to work at her level. I also am not sure about the rather rigid approach to the children's performance, I'm sure it is more practical to test them all in one go, but learning doesn't necessarily follow a neat 7-8 week pattern! And I do realise I am one of those annoying parents who questions what the teachers are doing!

Please tell me if you think it is a legitimate concern or if I should just chill out Grin

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PastSellByDate · 12/10/2014 10:10

Hi Hoolies:

Smartiepants79 raises a very good point above - and this page off the essex county LEA site may also help to show you that assessment isn't just about being able to sound out words: www.essex.gov.uk/Business-Partners/Partners/Schools/One-to-one-tuition/Documents/A3%20APP%20assessment%20criteria%20%E2%80%93%20Reading%20and%20Writing.pdf

HTH

RaisinBoys · 12/10/2014 10:37

Smartie is bang on. There's much more to reading than just decoding. They have to be able to comprehend what they're reading, read between the lines, know how to use books for research etc...

Lighten up.

Half termly assesments = 6 times per year X 30 children. Assesments that are meaningful and properly inform take time to do.

I've never understood why parents get so hung up on levelled reading scheme books or are so desperately competitive about it. In our experience school books have always been too easy and dull as dishwater but we understood that they served a particular purpose and tested specific skills, inference etc.

DC read them, we completed the reading record & then they read stuff they loved. They love reading and read often and widely.

It's not an either or.

RaisinBoys · 12/10/2014 10:54

oh and hoolies you say your child moved away from picture books before starting school.

My DS had an inspirational teacher last year (y6). The class had lots of more able (gifted) readers. The teacher chose a book called 'The Arrival' as their class book in Autumn term.

It had no words at all.

It inspired the most creative, moving and high quality writing that i had ever seen my son produce.
(If it helps to add context my DS scored highly in external Sats and teacher assessed level 6 in writing).

There is more to reading than how hard the words on the page are.

And I love a picture book and I'm 45!

kesstrel · 12/10/2014 11:09

"My dd is so quiet in class I worry about her being slightly missed."

Do you think she might be shy/embarrassed about reading aloud in group reading (assuming they do this?) If so it is possible that the teacher is underestimating her ability for this reason. The lack of a reading record where you can write about what she is reading is a concern, since this is one thing that can help a teacher pick up such discrepancies.

JennyBlueWren · 12/10/2014 19:35

ONLY every half term?! We test twice a year unless we feel a child needs to move levels. Testing reading is very time consuming and requires 1:1 attention -not like maths or writing.

spanieleyes · 12/10/2014 19:51

We assess every week!
During guided reading I note who can read and comprehend with ease and those who struggle slightly. As we do guided reading at a higher level than home readers, if they can cope easily with the guided reading level they can move on in their independent reading to keep pace.

Smartiepants79 · 12/10/2014 20:04

Of course they should be being 'assessed' constantly but testing means something different to me. It means some kind of formalised, standardised assessment.
I also find to very sad that your child had given up on picture books before she was even 4.
The best picture books have extremely sophisticated story telling with complex layers of meaning and understanding.

spanieleyes · 12/10/2014 20:12

But you don't need a formalised, standardised test to check reading levels, nor should you need a formal test to change reading book levels!
We undertake formal "testing" 3 times a year but these are to confirm teacher assessments of progress, not to move children to different reading book levels! The OP seems to be implying ( unless I've read it wrong!!) that her child is unable to move up to a different reading book level without the results of a formal test-which is just absurb!!

Hooliesmoolies · 12/10/2014 20:37

Lots of points to respond to Smile.

I totally agree that you shouldn't need a formalised test to move a child up a level. But apparently in her Y1 class that is the way they do it. They will only test every half term and will NOT move up a level before then.

  1. The point is that they won't move them up reading levels other than assessment times. So, although the teacher said that the level 6 fiction book my DD did when they assessed her at the beginning of the term was too easy (they then tried a non-fiction and decided she should stay at level 6 because her non-fiction reading wasn't at the same level as her fiction reading), they haven't re-assessed. Since the assessment we have been working on a lot of nonfiction at home because we had been neglecting it. However, it didn't take her very long to get up to scratch on that too.
  1. Comprehension is crucial. obviously. However, if anything, it would surprise me less if they were keeping her down a level (obviously in my biased opinion Grin ) because her phonics didn't match her reading ability. My DD tends to work things out based on comprehension rather than phonics. When she does have to rely on phonics (for example, for names), she can struggle. But I don't know how they teach phonics in Y1.

Kesstrel those are pretty much exactly my concerns. Surely a reading diary which states what she reads at home is a way of just seeing if there is a discrepancy. It is probably obvious, but I don't entirely trust the school pretty much because they are so uninterested in any information from parents. I do think that teachers should be able to do their jobs without millions of questions Grin but at the same time, to me it seems utterly ludicrous to assume that parents have nothing to contribute to the process (at least those who are interested in contributing).

Smartiepants79 whilst you may think it is sad that my DD moved on from picture books early - I think that it is a little harsh to judge the reading choices of a four year old. As a parent, I basically am guided by the interests of my child. I think it is a little disrespectful to her to impose upon her my own reading tastes, rather I am happy to let her guide me as to what she finds interesting and engaging. I agree there are many fantastic picture books, but there are also many fantastic chapter books, and I have no problem sharing those with her. To be honest, I enjoy sharing all manner of books with her. My son, he still loves picture books. Everyone has their own preferences.

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BlackeyedSusan · 12/10/2014 21:49

I think once per half term is good, in that all the children are checked regularly. ideally it would be when the children are ready, but then there is the risk that children are missed.

at least they do not have to read every book in the scheme and have an eight book band discrepancy between home level and school book bands.

RaisinBoys · 13/10/2014 00:29

My DD tends to work things out based on comprehension rather than phonics. When she does have to rely on phonics (for example, for names), she can struggle. But I don't know how they teach phonics in Y1.

Well that might be your answer right there.

Primaryteach87 · 13/10/2014 00:39

Realistically with 25 children, taking at LEAST 10 mins per child to assess, it would take over 4 hours (without change over time etc) - ion practice probably almost a whole week of literacy. That honestly isn't the best use of time. Take her to the library if the book is too easy.

PlasticPinkFlamingo · 13/10/2014 10:24

We're reading a mix of what gets sent home - yellow/blue - and her own books, which are probably orange/turquoise/purple level.

I bought some Level 2 I can read books on holiday this summer. www.icanread.com/levels but I'm not really sure what they equate to here.

From her reading the harder texts, I can see that she needs to practice certain sounds and needs to focus on reading the text carefully as she'll whip through things and get a word wrong. Hopefully the dual approach of school books and trickier books will allow for good progress. Her confidence has grown massively from trying the trickier books at home.

JustAShopGirl · 13/10/2014 11:29

I never knew nor cared what level either of mine were until SATs...

because, since we all read at home from a variety of sources I could see that their reading and comprehension were no cause for concern, so why the need to "label" it.

Read the crappy little books that get sent home - note in reading record, note what else they have read, send back - the actual books didn't get changed let alone levels - but it didn't matter because we could see no need for concern.

Smartiepants79 · 13/10/2014 13:32

Personally I think a 4 yr old still requires plenty of guidance to make good choices abut everything, including reading choices.
She is too little to know if its 'good'. There is some absolute crap written for children along with all the great stuff.

mrz · 14/10/2014 19:36

How accurate is her reading when she's using comprehension to work out the words?

Hooliesmoolies · 14/10/2014 21:24

Mrz She is actually really accurate. She may well be using phonics, it is just that she doesn't use the combination sounds often, and when she has to sound out names she often finds those hard. I don't know if she is using comprehension really. I'm kind of just guessing and may be totally wrong. I do know that the school teach 'mixed methods' - or at least they stated they did last year, when she was in reception. I would love to know exactly what her strengths and weaknesses were when it comes to reading. I know that phonics is helpful to pretty much all children, there are also children who can sound things out without the same level of comprehension, and surely there must be children who have excellent comprehension who are weaker at phonics? Would be interested to know your opinion. But either way, at my DD's school they don't ask for information with us, and don't give us any in return, so I won't get info from them.

Smartiepants79 I totally agree with you. There is a lot of crap written for children. I get quite annoyed about the amount of crap the library stocks. To be honest, I don't let her choose in the library because the majority of the choice are sparkly covered pink fairy books or kitten books or princess books - which if written really well, fine, but the few she has managed to get hold of aren't. Anyway, I'll stop ranting about that one. I don't use her judgement choices about what is good and bad literature to guide me. But I do work with areas that she is interested in, and select quality books from within that. Our current one exception are the Rainbow Magic books, which I loathe because they are quite simply rubbish. However, if they motivate her to read, and she counts reading those as reading for pleasure, then I will let her read them, and then read to her more literary books which are going to expand her vocabulary and her understanding.

Raisinboys the problem isn't that she has been assessed at the wrong level (which I think I stated further up). The school themselves noted that the fiction at that level was too easy (their words), but they wanted to make sure she was equally competent with the nonfiction. We had a slight issue with her level of interest in the books from school, but got round this by sourcing books elsewhere and consequently she is now reading the nonfiction with ease. The problem was that, having identified one issue that needed work, the school will not move her up until they re-assess again at half term.

Just to re-iterate, the question isn't about what level she is on, it is about whether or not the school have identified what she is able to do, and that she is working at the right level. I do know that there are a lot of children that this happens too, and perhaps it just takes a little time in the early years for schools to really get to know their pupils. But as a Mum, I just want my quiet little girl to be 'seen'. Probably a bit precious, but still (although they have sent the same reading book home 3 weeks after we had it last, so not sure how much attention they are paying to what is going on).

Having taken on the relax advice further up, I'm going to wait and ask them if they allow children to move up more than one level at a time at parents evening (after half term). Just so I know. And for now, we are reading what we are reading at home Smile

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KnittedJimmyChoos · 14/10/2014 21:48

It depends what the gap of the books is.

I got upset as my DD was reading books at home like R dhal and her reading books at school were level 4 ort or something Confused.

In the end, she was recognised and move up and to be fair her writing was not at the same level.

So if the books she is reading are way above her school books, I would write this in the reading record and say you know its every half term but is there another rason for discrepancy, if its roughly right though.....relax.

But dont relax too much, no one cares more about your childs education than YOU.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 14/10/2014 21:50

BTW reading is a passion of mine and its something i took in hand anyway, she has a library of books here, picked up from all over and brilliant charity shops, huge variety...she adores reading....so in no way shape or form am i relying on the school to provide books etc. 95% of her reading happens at home, the 5% and books she gets from school are almost irrelevant. ( she is 7)

KnittedJimmyChoos · 14/10/2014 21:52

but still (although they have sent the same reading book home 3 weeks after we had it last, so not sure how much attention they are paying to what is going on)

sounds a little sloppy....BIG NOTE IN READING RECORD.

mrz · 16/10/2014 18:19

Hoodie there are children who can't read at all who have excellent comprehension but in order to understand they need someone to read to them accurately
Unless a child can read accurately then their understanding will be compromised ... guessing the word from context is an unreliable method and becomes more and more unreliable as texts become more complex.

YackityYakYak · 16/10/2014 21:06

6 months ago I would have said 'relax, it's no big deal'. Your DD will be fine.

But.... DS1 in Yr 2, was ok at reading. I didn't push too hard, let him go at the pace the school set him - he was getting new books all the time so I wasn't worried. The last few months the teacher kept saying 'Oh I must assess your DS as I think he needs to move up a level' (I volunteered a morning a week in the class).

He never made it to free reading.

We did the 6 book challenge over summer, got through 5 books.

Read a few Roald Dahl books, Enid Blyton and one of the How to Train your Dragon books - OMG!!!

His reading at the end of the summer was SOOOO much better than at the beginning. I am absolutely astounded at the difference in his reading and I so wish I had pushed more in Year 2.

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