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Help which clauses are they supposed to be able to do in year 5?

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LePetitMarseillais · 09/10/2014 19:05

Relative,embedded...?

Getting a whole load of jargon without a lot of specification from ds.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/10/2014 19:19

Embedded, and those starting with a subordinating connective, at least. We don't tend to 'teach' relative clauses as most children use them. With even a vague steer towards the words who or which, most year 5s will write sentences containing 'normal' relative clauses quite naturally.

E.g. We might expect children to write:
'I met the boy who lives next door' weithout direct teaching, because they will have done lots of that in previous years.

We do revise embedded clauses, because although they have been taught them befiore, many miss out the verb in the main clause, showing that the skill is not quite secure.
e.g. The house, which stood on a hill, was surrounded by menacing thorn trees.

We do teach complex sentences containing a subordinating connnective:

e.g. We will stay here until the clock strikes ten.

We also expect children to be able to move the subordinate clause within the sentence for effect as well as variation:

Until the clock strikes 10, we shall stay here.

I would expect that as the new curriculum ecomes embedded, more children will reach Year 5 with this skills secure, and so we will do much more teaching around using them for authorial effect, rather than just 'as a clever thing to do in our writing' IYSWIM?

phlebasconsidered · 09/10/2014 20:18

I would look up the new spec. This year 5 will be taking the new paper and it is much harder, and way, way more specific. They have to answer grammatical questions on text, for one thing. So the weaker readers fall at that hurdle.

Things are also "new" names, and about 60% of it is new input for this test. Fronted adverbials, conjunctions not connectives and so on. I am power teaching my year 5 the new jargon, they haven't got long to recognise it all.

Relative clauses, fronted adverbials and main/ subordinate are all in there, in much more detail than before.

LePetitMarseillais · 09/10/2014 20:24

Thank you so much both of you.

Can you just remind me the exact definition of embedded clauses as I'm a tad rusty.

Also the new/old jargon re clauses.

Many thanks.

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culturemulcher · 09/10/2014 20:26

Really? Shock

Do Y5s have to be able to name/identify these, or just use them in their writing? Would they have to be able to e.g. underline a 'fronted adverbial' in a passage?

spanieleyes · 09/10/2014 21:14

The first question on the sample paper ( and supposedly the easiest) is " Fill in the gaps in the sentence below with the past progressive verb form" so knowing the correct terminology is key. Children are certainly expected to name and identify parts of speech, eg subordinating clauses, fronted adverbials, relative clauses, different usage of the same word ( eg when before is used as a preposition and when it is used as a subordinating conjunction) as well as subjunctive verb tenses.
My class sounds like a tounge twister sometimes ( we were covering the difference between co-ordinating and subordinating conjunctions today -try saying that several times Confused 0

LePetitMarseillais · 10/10/2014 06:39

Can anybody give any more detail re embedded clause definitions.My understanding of them seems to be differing from ds's.

Tia

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culturemulcher · 11/10/2014 19:52

LePetit you're doing a lot better than me. my understanding of them seems to be exactly zero.

Heylp.

goingmadinthecountry · 12/10/2014 17:26

Welcome back, conjunctions! Fronted adverbials are on the menu for our grammar starter tomorrow. The trick is just not to let the labels put you off - it's just speaking and writing properly at the end of the day.

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