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Year 3 end of year 'levels'. Can someone explain please?

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Labrat72 · 11/09/2014 10:54

My DH and I have finally been allowed to see my DSDs (8) report from last year. It's generally ok, and there are levels marked on it. These are: English 2a. Maths & Science 3c.
Are these ok? I don't have children of my own & don't really understand these marks. From what I understand it seems she's doing well on a lower level of English & is at a higher level for maths & science but hasn't really 'got' it yet. Am I correct in my very basic grasp of this?
Would these be acceptable levels for an 8 year old?
I do worry about her education, as does my husband. DSD is a lovely little girl but very lazy. She has to be pushed into working & struggles a bit with reading. Unfortunately she gets no help at home with any schoolwork & has been given detentions & punishments at school for not doing homework. - these take the form of not being allowed to play out at break but unfortunately DSD would rather sit in the classroom than run around the playground so the punishments aren't really any hassle for her!
While she's with us we make sure she does her homework, spellings etc but we can't make the other people in her life do the same.
So, according to those levels, is she doing ok?
Thanks in advance.

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minkymuskyslyoldstoaty · 11/09/2014 11:05

both those scores are very similar.
working at top of level two for English.
working at just below average of a mid level b in maths.

Labrat72 · 11/09/2014 11:17

Thanks for your reply.
Are levels 2&3 the 'expected' levels for year 3?
With regards to her reading. She has said that she's the 'lowest' reader in the class (16 pupils). She brought a reading book here last weeks & it was a Gold book. She says everyone else in the class is on Lime or above.
I had a quick (confusing) look online & Gold seems to be a Year 2 book, she's in Year 4!
She really doesn't like reading. She struggles through most of the words but doesn't link them together to make a story & can't tell you what happened in the story if you ask her afterwards.
My DH and I have suggested she read books rather than watch TV or the iPad but she's resolutely not interested & we don't want to make her do it & thereby completely put her off reading.
It's very difficult, this child rearing business isn't it?

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redskybynight · 11/09/2014 13:00

Levels no longer exist in the new curriculum.

But 2a /3c is precisely where a child is expected to be at the end of Year 3.
I'd be interested in progress she's made since Year 2.

Contraryish · 11/09/2014 13:15

Have a look here. The link is to a PDF but page 2 shows what the expected levels are at the end of each year.

diamondage · 11/09/2014 13:34

Here is a link to the MN page giving the expected levels by year group. These levels apply to the end of each year, not the beginning. The letters follow the order of c, b, a. An a means you are starting to work towards a few of the goals from the level above while a c might indicate say 40% of a level achieved.

If she is in Year 4 now then presumably this report is her end of year 3 report? If so she is on target as 2a/3c are the expected levels for the end of year 3.

As a general rule my DD only gets to 'play' after finishing her 'jobs'. Her job is learning and playing, including screen time, is her reward. How do you think your DSD would respond to this concept?

You could try something like this to work on specific skills - if she enjoys that you could progress onto comprehension work books. If she really doesn't want to engage in that way then get some books that will appeal to her, and read to her, moving your finger along the line. Stop and check she understands and over time get her to read the odd sentence, paragraph etc.

The good thing about an ipad is you can get lots of books for ibooks (many children's classics are free or cost less than £1). You can also get the Kindle App too and buy ebooks from Amazon. The brilliant thing about this is children can't see how long a book is and you can set the text to a really big size which makes it easier to read. If you can find the sort of books she loves to hear you reading to her you'll be a step closer to turning her dislike of reading around.

You can also observe how she works out words she doesn't know, does she struggle to sound them out for example, because of poor phonic knowledge?

Labrat72 · 11/09/2014 13:51

Thank you so much ladies.
I'm glad she's on track, as it were. Yes this was her end of Year 3 report. We were told there wasn't one but DH was finally presented with it yesterday. Apparently another child took it home at the end of last term & only brought it back to school yesterday! DH had asked his ExW several times about it but she told him she'd contacted the school & they didn't have reports last term! She hadn't contacted the school at all of course.
I think I'm more worried about DSDs education than DH is. I was a very early and enthusiastic reader and by the age of 8 I was definitely reading 'proper' books, in fact anything I could lay my hands on. I have to remind myself that not all children are like that & of course there are far more exciting things these days to do rather than read.
DSDs homework book states that she must do 15 minutes of reading each day, while she's with us she does do that, but she hates it. I know that if I suggested she do extra reading, on top of that, she'd kick up a massive "it's not fair" fuss.

She can spell her way through words if she goes slowly & thinks about it but she moans constantly about how boring it is. She has a tendency to say any old word that looks a bit like the one she's trying to read, even when that word clearly makes no sense to the story.
I don't get involved in the reading as much as DH does, I just hear her hesitantly reading out loud in a bored monotone & frequently telling DH how boring it is.
I have tried to get her interested, I read a lot still & have a lot of my childhood books. Enid Blyton & such like, I've offered them to her & sat with her reading them to her but I just get eye rolls & "boooooring", the lure of the Disney Channel is too much.

So now that levels don't exist, what will her report be like next year? Will we be able to see a progression from this years 'levels' to the method of reporting next year?

She's in a private faith school btw, I don't know if that makes any difference with the way she's taught or her reports.

We have her this weekend, I'll try again to get her more interested in reading. Thanks again to everyone who replied.

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steppemum · 11/09/2014 14:11

From what you have said, I would be concerned about her reading. The level she got is fine, but what you are describing isn't, as she isn't going to progress if she doesn't get some enthusiasm for reading.

Several things I would suggest:
1.You read to her. Make reading fun, find really good stories that you both want to listen to. Show her that stories are fun.

  1. She reads to you first, before screens. Or you have a set time, set an alarm clock, and at that time screens off. Then homework. In fact I would set TV times and in between there is no TV. So it isn't a choice - book or tv in which case tv will always win.
  2. find books which are a bit easier than she can read and get her to read those out loud. This builds confidence. Do lots of talking about the story, So as she reads something respond: 'Oh no - what happened next?' 'Uh-oh - do you think she is going to fall?' If she is struggling to read the book she has, then she will be very put off. A good gauge is if she reads a long paragraph/page, she puts up a hand with 5 fingers. Every time she has to stop to spell out a new word, put one finger down. All the hand down? Book is too hard.
  3. Use the local library - they should help you find age appropriate books. Try modern funny stuff like Horrid Henry. (Mine won't read or listen to any of my childhood books, they look 'old and boring' Then I will find they have the same book with a modern cover and they think it is great!)
  4. Try and see if she likes fact books rather than fiction? Guinness Book of records etc.
6, bribery. packet of chocolate buttons, one at the end of every page, wild guesses and you eat the button, if she is trying her best she gets the button, make a game of it.
Labrat72 · 11/09/2014 14:49

Thank you. We do make a 'no screens' rule & Saturday morning is usually homework & reading time, she moans constantly but it has to be done before telly time.
I have ordered the English exercises book that a PP linked to, hopefully she'll like that.
She has a lot of books but doesn't seem to like any of them. I think it's just because reading doesn't feature in her life at at all. It's seen as a thing to do at school rather than a thing that could be done for pleasure. I know she doesn't ever read at home.
I will persevere, I don't want her to hate reading but equally I'm not prepared to just let her not do it. It's an essential life task.
DH reads to her in bed at night but it's just that, he reads to her, I've asked him to maybe get her to join in, he reads one page, she reads the next but he says she won't.
I have tread carefully, I don't want to be the 'wicked stepmother' who makes her do loads of boring schoolwork but on the other hand I don't think we're being fair to her if we let her get away with not learning and working as well as she can.

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