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KS1 Level 3 Sats

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wigglywoowoo · 05/07/2014 21:56

We have had DD's SATS results and she has done better than I was expecting. Previously we have been given sublevels but this is just a 3 Does this mean that she is working at a minimum 3b or could it be a 3c? We've also had some SATS test results reported but not all. Any idea why they would not report all results? Dd told me when she did the test during sats week.
Our school are keeping the NC levels next year so it is relelvant for future assessment.

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mrz · 06/07/2014 08:25

I don't actually know any teacher whose pay is linked to sub levels but it seems to be one of those oft repeated "facts"

EustaciaVye · 06/07/2014 08:59

My daughter took sats in May and we haven't been given report yet as we have been told that County are validating the marks.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 06/07/2014 09:07

DD who is currently in yr1 will be capped at a 3A as this is the highest level that can be reported to the LEA (will have a meeting nearer the time to see if the same level has to be reported to me).

Just to pick up on this, but your school is wrong. The highest level that can be reported to the LA is not level 3A, it's 8 or maybe EP (although that's going to be almost impossible to achieve at year 2). If she's working at level 4 she should be given a level 4 and it should be reported as a level 4.

mrz · 06/07/2014 09:17

There isn't a cap on what can be reported ... in KS1 (Y2) sublevels are only reported for Level 2 not level 1, 3 or higher.

rollonthesummer · 06/07/2014 09:27

However, teacher's pay is linked to establishing 2 sub-levels (X many APP pts) + per child over the school year

No it isn't.

Where do people get these 'facts' from?!

spanieleyes · 06/07/2014 09:32

SOME teacher's pay can be linked to levels achieved, mine certainly is. I teach Year 6 and all my performance targets relate to children achieving specific levels/making specific levels progress in their SATS tests.
Which is why Year 6 teachers can be hard to come by!

mrz · 06/07/2014 09:34

Sensible schools see end of KS2 levels as the result of whole school effort not down to one person ... sad some put this pressure on a single year.

spanieleyes · 06/07/2014 09:39

I know Sad

mrz · 06/07/2014 09:42

Our y6 pupils have subject teachers which spreads the load

spanieleyes · 06/07/2014 09:45

All down to me here!

WorraLiberty · 06/07/2014 11:24

mrz the Year 6 SATS tests are locked away.

I confused things by saying level 2 instead of key stage 2, which I did correct.

That's what I get for posting on a Saturday night, after a few glasses of Wine Wink

mrz · 06/07/2014 11:28

however the OP is asking about KS1 in case it escaped your notice

WorraLiberty · 06/07/2014 11:37

Jeez you're a little charmer aren't you? Grin

It was just something I happened to mention, during the course of the thread.

You know, since it's a chat thread and not a police interview Wink

mrz · 06/07/2014 11:50

aren't you worried people might take you seriously and actually believe anything you have posted?

Feenie · 06/07/2014 13:40

Blimey, Worra, perhaps avoiding posting on education threads after Wine is a good idea - there is so much misinformation here from you!

rollonthesummer · 06/07/2014 13:50

Worra-this whole thread is about KS1 SATs! You have been very misleading!

IsItFridayYetPlease · 06/07/2014 13:53

A governor with a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing! Whilst I totally admire the voluntary commitment governors give, it is a misconception that because they are governors that they are experts and have all the knowledge they sometimes think they have.

lljkk · 06/07/2014 14:12

@spanieleyes: do you mind sharing numbers? I'm just curious how the performance targets affect a y6 teacher's pay. IE:

What is avg y6 teacher salary in your area?
What would you be paid if they achieved all targets?
And what if none of them are achieved?

spanieleyes · 06/07/2014 14:29

No idea what the average year 6 salary is, most are on main payscale at the moment. Year 6 tends NOT to be given to NQT's ( although there are exceptions) but to experienced teachers with a track record.
Now each school sets its own pay policy basically anything goes! Teachers in LA schools are generally still on normal payscales ( teachers in academies can be paid anything!) but it is progression that is affected by performance targets.
If you meet all of your targets you can progress onto the next payband ( so say from M5 to M6) If you are on the Upper teaching payscale you need two consecutive years of meeting targets to progress any further. If you don't meet one of your targets, you stay where you are on the payscale, if you don't meet two you are placed on competency. Obviously this is in my school, different schools will have different pay policies, different measures for progression, different consequences for not meeting targets. Pay is not portable any more, so moving from one school to another can mean a change in pay scale ( up or down) and a change in performance management measures. Changing payband is worth around £120 per month although this varies dependeing on which bands you are changing too/from!

IsItFridayYetPlease · 06/07/2014 14:36

Round here it is probably anything between £25,168 (M3) to £31,552 (M6) as very few are in their first few years of teaching. Maybe some are UPS (U1 £ 34,181 - U3 £ 36,756), but mostly they are younger, main-scale teachers.
Once at ceiling of main-scale or UPS that's it.

Feenie · 06/07/2014 15:53

My school took on the LEA agreed policy which honours portability. Ds's school did not, and the staff are in the middle of a 4 day strike about it.

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