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Y1 Subtraction help

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bunzle · 15/05/2014 12:30

DD has been doing really well at school until now, but they have just started doing lots of subtraction and she just doesn't seem to get it. She understands how to take away a single digit from a two digit number on paper, but then even using numbers between ten (this morning we were doing 7-4) she doesn't seem to know where to start. She puts 7 fingers on, then takes 4 off. Something hasn't clicked! I know that it will click when she's ready, but I would like to do something at home to help her. Should we just do lots and lots of practice, or is there anything particular I can do that might help?

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Scoobyblue · 15/05/2014 12:34

Use smarties. Set out seven and take away (or eat!) four. Count what is left. I found that sweets made everything real!!!

WowOoo · 15/05/2014 12:41

It might take a while to click, but it will click.
Showing her different ways to get the answer could help her.

Show her (with the smarties if that helps) that how counting on from 4 to 7 shows the difference.

Could you use a number line and start on 7 and jump back 4? She'll see it straight away with this method, hopefully.

PastSellByDate · 15/05/2014 12:54

Hi Bunzle:

absolutely hit this problem with DD1 who failed to subtract even 1 from 10 by May of Y2.

Like ScoobyBlue suggests - using objects (fingers are fine - but sometimes easier if not fingers) - can really help.

So I went the food route - and subtraction is perfect for this.

7 - 4. Try it with smarties, biscuits, grapes, raisins, whatever....

Give your DC 7. Ask them to eat 4. How many are left - count up - 3.

Now have them do it on paper.

Write it horizontally or vertically as you prefer (but beware that at school these problems are initially presented/ taught horizontally).

7 - 4 = 3

now draw 7 dots/ squares/ triangles. Cross out 4. how many left without crossing out - 3.

Now this is where 'place value' becomes really important. At some stage - and schools can gloss over this - it is important to understand that numbers we work with are 'base 10' - we use 0 - 9 and when we want to indicate more than 9 we start a new column.

-0
-1
-2
-3
-4
-5
-6
-7
-8
-9
10
11
12
...and so on

So you need to understand units/ tens/ hundreds (at least).

So working on your child identifying that in the number 349 - 3 = 3 hundreds, 4 = 4 tends and 9 = 9 units - really helps to decifer numbers.

Schools often teach DECONSTRUCTING methods - so working with numbers in terms of units, tens, hundreds, etc...

So adding 24 + 28 would be handled in several steps:

4 + 8 = 12
20 + 20 = 40
12 is actually 10 + 2
so add 10 to 40 = 50 and then add the 2 = 52

for 24 + 28 = 52.

It's very different from traditional vertical methods and some schools are very strict about when they want children to use this method - so my advice is if your child gets this deconstructing method GREAT. But if not, then try introducing traditional vertical method on the sly.

DD1 was very resistant at first - 'that's not the way Mrs. X does it' kind of thing - but eventually it made more sense.

When it comes to carrying (in either addition or subtraction) - it helps to use similar but differently sized objects - so grapes and raisins, duplo and lego bricks, small buttons and big buttons.

So with the 24 + 28 example using grapes & raisins

I would tell DD1 a grape = 10 and 1 raisin = 1 and ask her to show me 24 in grapes and raisins (2 grapes/ 4 raisins). Then show me 28 in grapes and raisins (2 grapes/ 8 raisins). now let's make a pile of grapes and a pile of raisins.

4 grapes and 12 raisins. Well we have more than 9 raisins here - so we're going to have to cash some in for a grape - so we need 10 raisins. Do we have it - yes, no problem - so that makes 1 grape and 2 raisins. We can add our new grape to the four grape plate and that gives us 5 grapes and 2 raisins which translates into 50 + 2 or 52.

This was the only way I could explain carrying to DD1 and it really seemed to turn that 'light bulb' on.

Some helpful place value games on Woodlands Junior Maths Zone: resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/interactive/numbers.htm#Place - really found the bead number game useful for helping make sense of place value/ carrying. The ghost counting interval games are excellent as well.

HTH

bunzle · 15/05/2014 13:31

Wow - that's really helpful, thanks everyone! I think she 'gets' it. She knows that if she has 7 of something and takes 3 away, there are 4 left, but the calculation doesn't come easily to her. They have learnt partitioning at school and she does seem to understand place value, but I was surprised this morning when she even struggled with subtracting single digits. She does get it on a number line but obviously hasn't quite internalised that number line yet! Thanks all. Will dig out some smarties.

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noramum · 15/05/2014 13:40

If it helps, DD is in Year 2 and they still use a lot of partitioning now. Also number lines are still poplular.

For double digit and single digit, DD breaks them down, so first the tens, then the digits and it works a lot better.

But nothing can beat smarties.

temporarilyjerry · 17/05/2014 09:15

If your DD is in Y1 and is doing all that you say she is, she's doing fine! Internalising number line will come with practice.

temporarilyjerry · 17/05/2014 09:16

Just eat the smarties!

negrilbaby · 17/05/2014 19:44

Ask a group of adults to show you how to do subtraction the traditional way and I can guarantee most will have forgotten how to do this (unless they use it on a regular basis). The reason schools insist on children being able to deconstruct numbers is so that eventually they will understand all the processes they use - rather than just applying algorithms they can use but not explain/understand (which then tend to get forgotten). I am a secondary maths teacher and still use number lines with some classes - until they do internalise it.

So whatever you do, make sure she understands what is happening and not just applying a set of rules. It may slow her down initially, but will help in the long term.

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