Reading levels 12 - 16

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Does anyone know how ORT levels 12 - 16 compare to Collins Big Cat levels 12 - 16(+)?

I can find a NC level chart for CBC but not ORT (I know these are rough guides). The CBC NC levels seem lower than ORT, or the national tables I've seen for levels 1 - 11 (e.g. CBC lime isn't equivalent to L3c).

Many thanks to anyone that can help me get my head round these higher levels.

Does it matter? When you get to this level you can read and then you get better at reading. Sorry, not very helpful!

Does it matter?

Free what a wonderfully philosophical question you have posed there....

We are all going to end up on a slab in a box in the blink of an eye, does anything matter....

All I know is what my DC school have said which is stage 14 (ORT - treetops) is a 3B (NC wise).

However, this doesn't necessarily mean a child reading stage 14 is a 3B iyswim.

freetrait Well it only matters in that I wanted to be accurate and not assume that level 14 CBC is the same as level 14 ORT - so that's a pedents confession I guess .

In fact I've just discovered a new (to me at least) ORT levelling document that may answer my question - more on that in a moment...

simpson thank you - that is DDs NC level funnily enough - however according to the following 2 links level 14 CBC is NC 3c / b (not totally sure), and ORT 14 is a 3a.

According to the aforementioned ORT link, ORT now goes to Level 20. Presumably this is to make lots more money meet the needs of high achieving readers because level 16 is a 4b and level 20 takes you closer to a level 6.

www.dianeschofield.co.uk/structure/collins-big-cat.pdf

fdslive.oup.com/www.oup.com/oxed/primary/literacy/Ros-Wilson-Criterion-Scale.pdf?region=uk

May not be helpful but my school treats all those levels as a single band and children can pick what they like from it. Because by that stage, their reading will be very good.

Wowzers trousers. What year is your DD in, if you don't mind me asking? Yes, philosophical is my middle name . This lady is my new hero . Haven't actually watched that video so not entirely sure it backs my philosophy up, but she is all about learning without limits (and therefore levels).
Surely it is healthier to look at these things in a more holistic way? DS got to Stage 12 I think in Year 1 and hasn't touched a Stage book since, not that I have anything against them per se. I would be quite happy for DD to abandon them now, at errr Stage 7ish.

freetrait - yr 1, she blended her first word just before turning 3 so she's taken nearly 3 years to get to this point, which if you think about it is a standard length of time to get there perhaps?

DH & I are both bookworms so unless there were specific issues her enthusiasm for reading was going to be inevitable.

Although stage 14 the books are real books now, or at least she hasn't brought a CBC or Rigby one back for a while. However they are all banded following the CBC colours until stage 16.

I really want to know how to support her with the higher level comprehension skills, not inference, which if it's in her field of knowledge & experience she's fine with - all the other things. I'm still mulling over how to phrase my next post .... I'd like a book really but I'm not sure what category to look under!

purpleroxy that makes good sense - DD read ORT "5 Children & It" which is level 15. Of course she couldn't analyse it in the way a yr 5 child could, but she loved the story & understood the 'lessons' for the children.

Not really, they take as long as they take. DS started at 5 really, and was fluent by 6. And ditched those treetops October Year 1. Was busy reading Horrid Henry and Jeremy Strong then.

I think 3 years is the standard or perhaps average for children to move from 0 to chapter books because it takes most children (thinking the national bell curve here, not the MN demographic) from reception until end of yr2 to be reading chapter books.

Even though DD blended her first word just before 3 she started reception on red books (I kept it all low key before then) but ended on white. So I suppose the main part of learning to read was done in a year. However from first learning to blend to this point right now is nearly 3 years. To say she's 5 and on stage 14 / 3b is disingenuous without the additional context .... which isn't to say I'm not pleased for her, just that it could be argued that she's where she is simply because she started earlier iyswim?