How Do I appeal non ics?

[3asAbird]

Thinking of trying appeal on net capacity.

I think i need net capacity of classrooms and numbers of kids in whole school and each class.

The school has pan of 20 so 10 below 30.

there are 5classes

r-pure class 20reception

2-20year 1s-10younger years 2 in theory but theres less
3-20year 3s and 10older year 2s-but theres currently less think 28
4 20year 4s and 10 youngest year 5s-dont know how many could be under by a few
5) 20year 6 and 10 oldest year 5s.

it means at least twice in 7years child there they remain in same class 2years in row.

ics ie 30number only really matters to class r, 2 and 3 and class 4-5 juniors.

Class 3, 4 and 5 are in terapins ,portacabins in playground.

r and class 2 is in actual old school victorian building.

have no idea how many applied yet this year or where I am on waitlists.

does all this sound positive that could log appeal on net capcity.

how do i find out this info will school office tell me or need lea?

I have a older child in year 4 but we dident meet criteria for local sibling so therefore kids nearer without sibling be higher up.

Theres heck lot movement at this school.

last 2years rception 1 sibling got in just before xmas
and jan just gone 2siblings gone in as 2deffred spaces never started
another sibling finally got in nov into year 1.

My eldest seems to think few more leaving in other years for private and 1 sibling dident get in his mum said she may move eldest but most of movements in junior years.

if class 2 say had 20reception and only 8year 2s would that mean they had capcity take 21 reception kids or do they have leave that space for year 2s as pan is 20a year so they have offere 20 spaces for each year group.

Its a local authority run school and I live within that local authority.

is it worth chance on trying appea on these grounds.

need speak to other parents and appealed see what they did.

right now i dont think error was made
i dont know where we are on waitlist.

I'm afraid this is an ICS appeal. If the school is full class 2 will have 30 pupils (20 Y1 plus 10 Y2). Classes 3, 4 and 5 are not relevant for ICS regulations as they only apply where the majority of pupils in the class are in Reception, Y1 or Y2. But the fact that class 2 would have 30 pupils if the school was full makes this an ICS appeal.

Unfortunately as this is an ICS appeal you should only win if a mistake was made. You can try anyway. You may strike it lucky. Occasionally something emerges at the hearing to show a mistake has been made. But you should be realistic about your chances.

Even if the classes aren't full right now there will be future ICS prejudice if they admit over PAN.

Prh47bridge is right. Because of the combined class sizes in key stage 1, this is an ICS appeal.

ICS appeals have been discussed on several threads over the last few days and you might want to read those. Essentially, you would be looking to prove a mistake had been made and nothing you have mentioned is indicative of any sort of mistake.

ahh crap was hoping as pan below ics might be possible if other classes under .

if class 2 is under though as year 2s are under would that make diffrence?

ie class 2 next year will have 20rception and say 8-9 younger year 2s?

least I know now I guess its it worth appealing? now not so sure? just join waitlist?

no appeals won in last 2years.

i dont think mistakes been made havent see any info yet how many applied.

I dd read few things last year applying net capcity so what would give net capacity appeal then? got confused.

class 3 is mix of year 3 and year 2 so assumed ics apply class 3 also

so if this years year 1 is under 20 still no chance?

next year they will be year 2 and 10 will move up and in theory 1o will stay down during year 2 and 20 receptions move up to class 2 as year 1 in sept.

The reception classroom seems pretty big to me .

class 2 is smaller but they have 2classrooms sort of as theirs room in middle they use hang pegs, bags and do group lessons.

It is class 2 - the mix of Y1s and Y2s - that is the problem for you here, because if the class is full there are 30 pupils and that makes it an ICS appeal. There might be empty places there now, but that isn't the point. For all you know, and for all the school knows, there could be an influx of new pupils which fills the class to capacity.

It is always worth appealing. Something may emerge on the day that helps you. But you need to face the fact that you probably won't win and need a back up plan.

Thanks panel I think there maybe least 1 space right now in class 2.

who knows about sept.

dont know if going through appeal worth it?

or always try?

so im basically appealing under ics which is not very winnable

backups already in place
alternative schools on defer

or home ed until jan.

I have just said that the number of spaces does not matter. It's the capacity of the class, not the actual number of bums on seats, that makes it an ICS appeal.

I have also just said that you might as well appeal because you have nothing to lose by it. However you are unlikely to win so you need a back up plan.

I'm glad you have thought about other options.

thanks i meant is it worth appealing as ics.

will appeal anyway and exploring good backups.