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Multiplication for a 4 year old? Help please!

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TheNightIsDark · 12/03/2014 22:12

We had parents evening last night. Apparently DS (4) is surpassing the class in all areas, they could plonk him in year one now and he would be more than able to keep up Blush I feel embarrassed typing that!

The teacher says she wants to start doing simple multiplication with him as he picks up maths very easily and is a bit bored of number bonds to 5!

Does she mean times tables? Maths is not my strong point!

Also, I don't want to hothouse him. He enjoys learning and tends to bounce off the walls if not engaged in something.

Are there apps/games etc that could help him?

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LittleMissGreen · 13/03/2014 08:56

Counting in 2s, 5s and 10s is not multiplication, it is the precursor to multiplication. Maybe the teacher has already been through that the OPs DS?

coco44 · 13/03/2014 09:09

tired- no (I used to helpout at 2 or the 3 schools) and they were all sitting on the carpet counting up in 2s etc

and I am not sure what the difference between repeated addition an multiplication would be? the teacher would pose a question such as 'how many gloves do 5 children need, and they would count up 2,4,6,8,10 to get the answer and write it on their little white boards.

columngollum · 13/03/2014 09:30

hothousing is greatly misunderstood. People are now frightened of discussing common sense details about everyday life with their children for fear of being labelled with yet another stupid, meaningless phrase!

Of course you should discuss numbers with your child if that's what he likes! Why wouldn't you?

GoodnessIsThatTheTime · 13/03/2014 09:46

Coco, although not unusual is certainly exceeding expectations and not the norm. What an odd post!

TheNightIsDark · 13/03/2014 11:19

No Coco. Not a deprived area. It's very very MC.

I'll just follow the schools lead I think and see how he does. He appears to have a natural ability for maths (unlike his mother!) so he'll pick it up I'm sure.

Thank you for all the advice Smile

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nonicknameseemsavailable · 13/03/2014 11:25

I thought that with the change in the EYFS children did cover counting in 2s, 5s and 10s in reception as standard.

richmal · 13/03/2014 11:58

I distinctly remember dd doing number bonds to 10 as part of the top group in reception.

TheNightIsDark, Maths is something which is learnt by practice, so, even if maths is not your strongest subject there is lots of resources to help you help him with KS1, providing he wants to do extra maths at home.

Also there is an idea that a child who is good at maths understands things straight away and learns them first time they are told. IME children learn a lot more by being told something, letting it sink in, then returning to it. At the moment I home educate and often say to dd that it does not matter if you don't understand this, I'm just telling you about it. It is surprising how much easier they learn things once the pressure is off to understand it.

BornFreeButinChains · 13/03/2014 12:32

Our friends little boy is ahead and was moved up a year.

Would this be a possibility? I would personally not want to race ahead in terms of the personal , social side but a year above, sounds like he might find the work more to his level and its not ahead in terms of social age either...friends child is in private though.

Look around, loads of websites, books on amazon and so on.

Friends do not in any way push their child but they do make sure he is engaged and enjoying his work. they provide work books at home, got him a computer tablet with stuff on it for him to do and so on.

BornFreeButinChains · 13/03/2014 12:33

hothousing is greatly misunderstood. People are now frightened of discussing common sense details about everyday life with their children for fear of being labelled with yet another stupid, meaningless phrase!

yy. Tiger Mom is hot housing most mums on here I bet couldnt come close to that even if they tried.

BornFreeButinChains · 13/03/2014 12:36

Our school is good and has only now picked up counting in 2's and so on. They have covered it in reception but not to any great degree.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime · 13/03/2014 18:29

They shouldn't need to go up to the next year as it's well within range for yr r. We're in a low income area and have children doing number bonds to ten, early multiplication etc.

columngollum · 13/03/2014 19:04

I'm rather ashamed to be part of a culture which is afraid of discussing numbers and letters with its young. It's rather like the kids who sit at the back of the bus and are proud of the fact that they can't read and write.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime · 13/03/2014 19:57

Whose afraid to discuss numbers and letters with their young? We do a lot as part of everyday conversation.

I don't personally believe in worksheets at home for very young children for a number of educational reasons but we certainly discuss numbers and letters a lot (bright, interested child helps).

Again - a lot of low-income families in our area but on the whole they're keen for their children to do well, even where they haven't succeeded themselves.

columngollum · 13/03/2014 20:03

Anyone who explains that they don't for fear of hothousing. Such comments are frequent. One of our local mums told me she avoids numbers because she doesn't want her son ahead of his schoolwork.

Ferguson · 13/03/2014 20:03

I usually post this for older children who have difficulties, but you may find something from it you can use:

QUOTE:

Practical things are best for grasping number concepts - bricks, Lego, beads, counters, money, shapes, weights, measuring, cooking.

Do adding, taking away, multiplication (repeated addition), division (sharing), using REAL OBJECTS as just 'numbers' can be too abstract for some children.

Number Bonds of Ten forms the basis of much maths work, so try to learn them. Using Lego or something similar, use a LOT of bricks (of just TWO colours, if you have enough) lay them out so the pattern can be seen of one colour INCREASING while the other colour DECREASES. Lay them down, or build up like steps.

So:

ten of one colour none of other
nine of one colour one of other
eight of one colour two of other
seven of one colour three of other

etc, etc

then of course, the sides are equal at 5 and 5; after which the colours 'swap over' as to increasing/decreasing.

To learn TABLES, do them in groups that have a relationship, thus:

x2, x4, x8

x3, x6, x12

5 and 10 are easy

7 and 9 are rather harder.

Starting with TWO times TABLE, I always say: "Imagine the class is lining up in pairs; each child will have a partner, if there is an EVEN number in the class. If one child is left without a partner, then the number is ODD, because an odd one is left out."

Use Lego bricks again, lay them out in a column of 2 wide to learn 2x table. Go half way down the column, and move half the bricks up, so that now the column is 4 bricks wide. That gives the start of 4x table.

Then do similar things with 3x and 6x.

With 5x, try and count in 'fives', and notice the relationship with 'ten' - they will alternate, ending in 5 then 10.

It is important to try and UNDERSTAND the relationships between numbers, and not just learn them 'by rote'.

I am sorry it seems complicated trying to explain these concepts, but using Lego or counters should make understanding easier.

An inexpensive solar powered calculator (no battery to run out!) can help learn tables by 'repeated addition'. So: enter 2+2 and press = to give 4. KEEP PRESSING = and it should add on 2 each time, giving 2 times table.

There are good web sites, which can be fun to use :

www.ictgames.com/

www.resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/index.html

UNQUOTE

PS: make 'number cards' with a large numeral on one side, equal number of dots/pics on the other. Give him the random numerals: can he place the correct number of bricks/beads on it? Make a 'washing line' and using the same number cards in random order, give him clothes pegs to peg up the numbers in the correct order. (Change 'gender' as appropriate; this was written for someone else originally)

Year 2 will probably be starting 'data handling'. You can tackle that by counting and 'tallying' things that interest you: traffic (cars, trucks, bikes etc); animals, pets, plants, birds seen on a walk; types of shop in a street, colours of front doors. Then draw bar charts or pictorial representations.

PPS: I know he's not Yr2, but 'data handling' could be fun thing to do.

TheNightIsDark · 13/03/2014 20:47

Thanks everyone. Some really good suggestions. He's quite confident with number bonds to ten. I occasionally randomly ask him sums in the car and he's quick to answer correctly.

The lego suggestions are good. I work in a nursery so I'm comfortable with learning through play so now I have a direction to go in!

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Hawkshaw · 13/03/2014 21:41

Have you seen the nrich site, OP?

I have found it very useful for my daughter who is now in Y2. It's more about broadening activities rather than just going ahead further in the curriculum, which I think is probably a better way to go. If you have a look at the teacher resources, you'll find loads of fun things to do with your son.

Hawkshaw · 13/03/2014 21:42

Oh, sorry, link!

nrich.maths.org/frontpage

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