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Stupid question..Primary levels 3/4/5 abc etc, are they the same as used in Secondary?

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Lizzylou · 18/12/2013 20:49

Please excuse stupid question, not pleading ignorance to enable stealth boasting or anything just wanting to understand.

Ds1 (Y5) has had his first report marked in this way (we don't normally get these levels unless after Sats), he does appear to be doing v well in maths, reading and writing not as good, but that is as I expected tbh.
So would say him getting a 4c be the same grade as a year 7/8 attaining the same level?
I only ask because I recently started working in a secondary school, am hoping to train as a teacher, need to know and don't want to look thick by asking potential employer!

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bulby · 18/12/2013 20:56

In theory the levels should continue through but if you ask a lot of secondary teachers they will tell you that children who come up with level 5 often aren't. I'm a secondary science teacher and find a lot of the students who the primary teacher has assessed at a given level are no where near. Levels are going anyway- unless there is, yet another, about turn!

Minime85 · 18/12/2013 20:57

average is 4b/a end yr 6 is national average or expectation. but levels are supposed to be going. in my experience as secondary teacher they do and dont follow on, although I can only speak re English. often a primary version of top level 5 is different to what I would expect from a top level 5 in yr7 especially in reading.

Lizzylou · 18/12/2013 21:05

Thankyou.
That is what I thought. I am in humanities, but there is no way my pfb (amazing though he is, obv!) is the same as some of the work I've seen at 4/5 abc. Seems a bit optimistic.

Mind you maths is a bit of an unknown for me.

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PiqueABoo · 19/12/2013 00:10

KS3 maths levels do have more content than the primary, but in principle the new-improved curriculum will fix some[1] of that e.g. some of he missing bits like algebra have been added to primary-side.

Reading, or rather comprehending, inferring authorial intent etc. has age/maturity sensitive problems as discussed in the DfE commissioned review of KS2 SATs L6 (which very few pass).

Reading, Maths and the dreaded SPaG are of course national tests of the prescriptive NC so you can blame several governments for everything.

[1] The maths still has flaws.

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