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KS2 maths

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PeasandCucumbers · 05/12/2013 23:00

I read the other maths thread about what level the questions were with interest and at the risk of overdoing something I am now curious as to what level these questions are.

These are the first time we have had fractions as homework and I thought they were quite tricky. My DS hasn't looked at them yet so I have no idea whether he can do them or whether he will need further clarification, they have been doing quite a lot of division in the last couple of weeks.

Question read as

Answer these division facts then write them as a fraction calculation.

Example given is

45÷5=9
1/5 x 45=9

Q1. 20÷5= [box for answer]
[box for fraction calculation]

then some more of the same

Second task is

Find a fraction of each length then write a division fact.

No example

Q1. 1/5 of 45cm

Q4. 1/100 of 300m

Last NC level we have been given was 3b. Do these questions seem about right for a 3b pupil?

TIA

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mammadiggingdeep · 05/12/2013 23:18

I would say the second type were about a 3...the first ones more like a 4. Can be hard to judge what level a maths question is, it was slightly easier with the last thread because they were two step problems.

juniper9 · 05/12/2013 23:57

I think they're level 3 questions. The first one is asking the child to understand the relationship between fractions and division. It gives all of the numbers needed, so the child just has to rearrange to change from division into a fraction.

The second question is again asking the child to change from fractions to division, but by using their knowledge of multiplication/ division facts.

It's hard to put something as a sublevel- it's not that straight forward. I'd say they were 3c or 3b. To be a 3a, you should be showing some aspects of level 4, which I don't think these questions allow. The other thread was level 4 because they were multiple step and in context (ie word problems).

PeasandCucumbers · 06/12/2013 07:21

Thanks, I shall see how he gets on with them over the weekend. I'm fairly certain task 2 will be fine it was more task 1 I was wondering about.

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redskyatnight · 06/12/2013 08:40

Has he done similar examples at school? Because if he's been taught and understands the principles, then question 1 should be fairly straightforward (it's just applying a "rule")

PastSellByDate · 06/12/2013 10:05

Hi peasandcucumbers:

I'm just a Mum but you raise an interesting question.

I think the first question I have is what year is your DC?

I agree with redskyatnight - that if in class they've been working with fractions.

So they've been introduced to the concept of fractions (so slicing a pizza into 6 slices and then describing one slice out of the six as 1/6th).

If they've also been introduced to the idea of factors and converting fractions with different denominators or reducing down to the lowest common denominator:

so understanding that 1/2 + 1/4 is the same as 2/4 + 1/4 = 3/4

or understanding that 5/25ths = 1/5

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So if that has already been introduced then both questions you gave as examples (especially if the example to the first problem was shown) should be fairly straightforward (and I'm presuming NC L3 equivalent).

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DD1s class has only had brief forays into the world of fractions and most of the kids in her class great 'Now let's work with fractions' with a groan. Because many struggle with their multiplication tables - getting the idea that 5/25ths can reduce to 1/5th is frankly beyond them.

DD1 has been asked to help with fractions work in class recently - and she spent the whole time saying with fractions you have to do the same to the top as the bottom. So if you can see that a number can go into both the top and the bottom, you can divide by that number:

e.g. reduce 9/ 51st to the lowest possible fraction

factors of 9 (3 * 3)
factors of 51 (3 * 17)

numerator & denominator both have 3 in common - divide both by 3 (3/3 is effectively = 1)

9/3 = 3
51/ 3 = 17

so the fraction reduces down to 3/17th

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The problem here is interesting for DD1's class - because some enjoy the maths problem and application of multiplication table skills and others just simply don't understand why on earth you'd need to do this.

In part - they don't see fractions as another form of division or as proportions

In part - the school rarely uses real-life examples (what proportion of the players scored a goal so far this season for example).

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So I think your question totally depends on what background with fractions your DC's class has had. How secure they are with their multiplication facts. How well they know their inverse multiplication facts.

For DD1s year 6 class - it's quite clear that a number of kids would struggle with the problems you gave as an example - but as you'll see from my other posts on maths our school is particularly weak in this area.

HTH

PastSellByDate · 06/12/2013 10:08

Oh just to say that DD1 doesn't know her 17s times table but know that with numbers if you add the digits together and it's divisible by 3 the original number is divisible by 3 (she taught that to everyone she was working with that day - they didn't know that trick yet apparently).

So 51 (5+ 1 = 6 and 6 is divisible by 3 - so 51 is divisible by 3 - then DD1 quickly did the division and came up with 17).

HTH

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