Does anyone know anything about Yr 3 expected levels?

[thirtysomething]

I am so lost with all these numbers that schools give children now! Ds, who is finishing Year 3, has just come home with his school report saying he has 3B in numeracy and 4 in reading and writing. Do these sound like reasonable numbers - I have wondered if he has slipped a bit in maths this year but it's impossible to tell from the report as he goes to a school where they only really put positive comments, so you can't usually see what the children's weaknesses are.

i think but am not totally sure that the 3 is about average (poss a bit above) the 4 is very high for year 3 , ds (year 5 is getting 4s and he is average). Am using the word average in a certain sense if you know what i mean

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It's 2 levels per key stage, grumpy frumpy - target is level 2 in Y2 (KS1), level 4 in Y6 (KS2)and level 6 in Y9 (KS3).

Any levels given outside the normal years for testing are based purely on teacher assessment, but 3b and 4 are excellent for Y3, thirtysomething

Thanks everyone - what a complicated set of numbers! At the end of Y2 he got a 3 in everything - so going by your comments and the fact that he got 3B in numeracy a year later, it looks like even though his level in general is very good, he hasn't actually progressed in numeracy? I don't get it, it all seems a bit random if you ask me! In fact I would have said he was stronger in maths than literacy but then I don't know what they look for!

I work in a junior school and we often find that kids who come up from the infant school with a 3 really aren't at that level in September. It may be something to do with the long break, but I think it's more to do with the fact that seven year olds aren't assessed under test conditions. At our school we do our own assessments in October, so we know where they're really working at, but when it comes to year 6 and the assessment of how much progress they've made it's the score they got at 7 which is the 'basemark' - which can make it difficult for the school- the 'value added' sems to be what the inspectors are looking at nowadays.

Look at this page
It shows what a child needs to be able to do to attain each level at maths - this page is just one part of maths - there are 4 -to see all the others you need to lick on the drop down menu at the top (on the black bit, 3) choose section)

*click, even

thanks rustybear - very useful info on that site!

Ok...can someone tell me...does it go 2abc3abc4abc 2 being good 4c being better or 2cba3ba or ???? Thank You!
Or dechiper these for me.
DD, year 3 has just got
3 speaking and listening
4c reading
3a writing
3c mathematics
3 science

Her teacher is awful, she has an excellent one next year and we are all hoping she will pull the class up to where it should be.

a is highest, c lowest

Thanks Rustybear

Charliecat (hope yoiu are not one of my parents at school!!!). those levels are good - 3C is average year 3 (ie where most children should be). So average at maths but above average in numeracy and 4C is where theyi should be at the end of year 6 (I think) - so well done your dd

Hope your not dd teacher either No honestly, she says when you ask oh yes we are going to XYZ and its all going to be fantastic, and then when you ask 6 weeks later...oh yes we are going to do that on Monday and it NEVER happens. The kids books were staying in the bags for weeks at a time before Xmas, like 3 swops from september to december.
DD is capable of being a lot better than average, but the the work was way way way too easy, hard stuff was never explained so she wasnt getting it and I was having to explain things in my draconian ways which are totally different to todays ways.
If ever homework was given out the wrong one would be given to the wrong group etc.

So if 3c is average, how come DS1, who has (disappointingly) got that for his numeracy in Y3 is described as 'a bright and able mathematician'? Doesn't tally to me.

Also, I thought they were supposed to move up 2 sub-levels a year, which means DS1 hasn't made as much progress as he should have done. Everything else is as I expected - 4c for reading, 3b for writing (which is 2 sub-levels up from last year), 3s for all the other things -but I am a little worried by the numeracy. It is not his strong point, but I hoped to see better progress.

singersgirl I'm exactly the same with my ds in year 3 as he seems to have only moved up one sub-section in numeracy but his report said he'd made "excellent progress" in maths - am I missing something!

Could it be they didnt do so well in the exam week but did excellent throughout the year?

maybe charliecat good point!

Maybe, though it says on his report "Teacher assessment" for the grade.

Oh well. Will collar teacher about the two sub-levels at open day.

I currently teach in Year 3. An average result in line with National Expectations in Year 3 is 2a. Schools do not have to put SATS results on reports and therefore most prefer to put a teacher assessment instead. At my school we always advise parents that the teacher assessment is more accurate because the test only shows how the child performed on one day in the year for 45 minutes. There may be several reasons why a child might underperform in a test situation e.g. unwell, nervous, time constraints. Whereas the teacher assessment is based on the child's performance throughout the year. Charliecat and thirtysomething your children are both working well above the national average so there is nothing to worry about.

thanks kazoo - that's reassuring!

Thanks Kazoo, good to hear

Hi I am new to mumsnet and have been looking for some advice. My dd number 4 is in Yr R and she got a 2A for Numeracy the same as dd number 3 who is in Yr 2. She also got a 2c for literacy the school are not being very helpful, she is working way above the rest of her class and is becoming frustrated and bored in the classroom.

What can I do to help her?