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Would you hold this child back a school year? (Advice from teachers esp welcome)

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abigailtakesthewheel · 01/11/2013 23:06

We will be moving back to the UK (Scotland) next summer from the states. DS is currently in pre-K, which as I understand it is like British nursery - they learn the alphabet, do some numeracy work (mainly shapes, playing counting games etc) but spend most of their time on structured play, role play etc. Because of when his birthday falls (September 2008) and the difference in school intakes, I have discovered that he would actually be expected to go in to Primary 2, i.e. assuming that he had already had a year of formal schooling (if we stayed here he'd be in Kindergarten next year - still very play based - then Grade 1 in 2015 - here he is almost the eldest in his school year).

He's bright and likes to learn, he can read a little (phonetically obvious words - "The cat sat on the mat" e.g., would be easy for him; he also manages words like "says", "knight" to give examples), and is quite good with numbers - can do basic addition and subtraction, seemed to grasp number bonds to 10 very easily when I tried it with him. But he hasn't been taught this at school in any sort of a formal way. And the phonic sounds he has learned are American.

I'm finding it hard to get much of a response from the school we'll probably send him to in Scotland (I guess as we are not at present in their catchment area), but I spoke to the local authority education department, who said that he would need to start in the right year group for his age, and then if he struggled the school might consider moving him down a year (but I worry that this would knock his confidence and be disruptive). I really don't know whether I should push for him to be held back, but then he'd be really quite old in the year below (intake is 1 March to 28 February, so he'd be 5 months older than the next oldest child), and might catch up quickly?

I've even considered getting him a tutor to get him to where he needs to be, but this seems extreme for a 5 year old.

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NynaevesSister · 02/11/2013 07:04

P2 is the equiv of Year 1. He will still be one of the eldest in his class. Reception or P1 is still play based, most afternoons are free play. Formally sitting around tables doesn't start till Y1/P2 if Scotland are similar to England. So I think the advice is good. It will be a settling in time for all the children, and many of them may have started late in Reception year anyway as you can defer (assuming Scotland is the same as England there).

You will be amazed at how fast children catch up. I don't think that at 5 they are that worried about things like how well they can do compared to peers. The ability range is huge.

mummytime · 02/11/2013 07:15

I have known children who had no formal education (and others who didn't even speak English) who have caught up very rapidly when placed in the correct age cohort.

I believe there is more flexibility in Scotland, but in England children are only placed out of their correct school year if they have a proven severe SEN. So unless you suspect this I would not worry, and he will surprise you at how quickly with some extra help (in school) and a good teacher he "catches up".

CecilyP · 02/11/2013 07:59

No I definitely wouldn't hold your son back. I think you are overestimating how much the P1 children will have covered after half a term in school. Most of them won't be as far on as your son is - and he is bound to be making more progress between now and August. P2 sounds like the right place for him and, age-wise, he will be around the middle of the intake.

I also don't think you should worry about him being moved down a year after he has started. While I have known children who have repeated P1, they have either had learning difficulties or have been extremely poor attenders.

Vajazzler · 02/11/2013 08:15

I'm in England so don't know if Scotland is different but I've never heard of a child being placed in a year group they weren't supposed to be in. If the child cannot read/write/speak English they get extra help but not bumped down a year. I'm sure your child will do fine in its peer group.

NonnoMum · 02/11/2013 08:18

In England, it is extremely usual for a child to be back-classed. The knock-on effects for choices later in education are one of the reasons why.

I think your child will be absolutely fine in the correct cohort...

teacherwith2kids · 02/11/2013 10:18

He will be fine in his correct year group. It is possible for a child to be helf back a year BUT to give an indication of the circumstances in which this might be considered appropriate: the only child I have taught for whom this was appropriate was a child who was working c. 5 years behind his chronological age, and had a very significant cognitive impairment so their progress was much less than a year per school year (parental wish was against a Special School place, which would otherwise have been the most appropriate option)

Jinty64 · 02/11/2013 15:00

Whilst I think your ds will be fine in primary 2 (especially if you keep doing some reading number bonds etc in the meantime) it is not the least bit unusual for children to defer a year in Scotland.

Ds3 (7) is in P3. The eldest child in his year was 8 last month and the youngest will not be 7 until February (neither have sen's) so there is quite a large cross over between the years. They are divided into two classes with the eldest children in a 3/4 composite and the youngest a straight p3. Two of my work colleagues deferred their November boys and ds's best friend could have gone to school the year before.

What area are you moving to OP?

supergreenuk · 02/11/2013 15:04

I wouldn't hold him back. Hi year only started school in September didn't they?

abigailtakesthewheel · 02/11/2013 15:38

Thanks all, that is really helpful. Jinty, that's interesting to hear that it is not unusual to defer in Scotland - that's the same advice we were getting from friends.

It sounds like he'd probably be fine in P2 if I work with him a bit, and I would prefer to keep him in a class where he was in the middle age-wise, rather than very old. I panicked a bit after a conversation with a schoolfriend about this - her 6 year old who has just started P2 can apparently read Roald Dahl books on her own, and add/ subtract/ divide 3 digit numbers... I suspect that the child in question is a genius and not representative!

We'll be moving to Aberdeen (or that area). The options are either moving into Aberdeen (coincidentally friends are about to take up an expat position abroad and have a house in the city which we could rent), or to a nearby town - we like Banchory, and would like to buy there, but have a house to sell before we can do that.

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