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Article in the Guardian

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StarlightMcKenzie · 29/10/2013 14:31

www.theguardian.com/education/2013/oct/29/specialeducationneeds-autism

What do you think?

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Mollydoggerson · 29/10/2013 14:42

I don't know much about Autism, but I thnk force feeding a child until they vomit is disgusting and cruel.

rabbitstew · 29/10/2013 16:36

Interesting. I can see it being used as an excuse for extreme cruelty by people wilfully misinterpreting its aims and intentions and pretending to be the "experts."

soapboxqueen · 29/10/2013 16:39

I felt quite ill reading that.

Anyone tried that with my little boy and they'd be at the receiving end of my own personal behaviour modification programme and it wouldn't be pretty.

soapboxqueen · 29/10/2013 16:51

I think assumes that to see a change in behaviour means that there is a change.

If someone is screaming in pain and I cut their vocal cords so that they can no longer make noise does that mean the pain had gone?

My ds is high functioning and we have used much training to essentially work around less desirable behaviours. However, I have never made him do things that made him distressed. I've given him strategies to help him be calm (which I have to instigate) and then work around them. Sometimes, more like many times, I have to accept that x or y isn't happening or they are but not in a normal way.

I appreciate that my isn't as severely affected as some. However, I would have to be very desperate to even consider some of these strategies.

I do appreciate that for somechildren

soapboxqueen · 29/10/2013 16:53

Apologies for the bits that make no sense. I'm on my phone and it isn't in a good mood. Grin

StarlightMcKenzie · 29/10/2013 17:51

RabbitStew, it is sometimes I'm afraid but that is because of the UK's staunch attitude that it is both controversial, new or an attempt at normalising a child.

It is none of these and despite what that article says is common practice in both industry and it is used in the classroom to 'manage' children, rather than educate them' though if Precision Teaching and similar are done properly they are ABA.

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soapboxqueen · 30/10/2013 17:11

Suspicion of new programmes or methodologies in education comes down to the fact that we have no mechanism in this country (don't know about others) for separating the wheat from the chaff.

Some absolute rot gets bandied about, some watered down so much as to make it useless and some really good things ignored.

Again, I don't think many people have a problem with individualised programmes of support and reward to help children achieve targets. Punishment isn't a problem as long as it is proportionate and is understood. For a long time my ds did not understand time out because he couldn't see the sequence of events. Therefore it was very stressful and unsettling for him for people to suddenly take him away from something he liked to somewhere he didn't want to be. There was no connection so the punishment was pointless. It would be stressful and unsettling for anyone. Imagine being at work and two big guys forceably moved you to other areas of the building. You didn't know why or when it would happen but you knew you had no choice. Not a happy senario. My ds is just about starting to understand now but not because of experiencing a punishment and learning from it.

However, I think the bit of the article that upset me and I think will stick with most people was the boy being fed food that made him wretch and be sick. If I did that in school to an nt child even once I would rightly be hauled over the coals for it.

Yes it may have eventually ( 6 months later) have produced the desired result. However we don't know truly what that result was. I might think I'm teaching A but my student is learning about B. That child may be filled with anxiety everytime he eats but has learned to hide it because after months of conditioning he has given into pressure.

I understand the views of higher functioning autistics that they feel they are being told their way of functioning or dealing with things is wrong. It isn't. It's just different. I also understand that for parents of children with more severe forms of autism that it probably seems like people are complaining about the range of desserts on a restaurant menu when the building is on fire. Not helpful or relevant.

I simply question the validity of supposing that a change in behaviour means that a method or procedure is valid when their is no thought as to what has actually occurred. I think this is even more relevant since many of the children concerned may not be able to accurately communicate changes. It may be that it is absolutely the way forward but I would need a little more convincing of the rigure involved.

posheroo · 02/11/2013 11:48

A TV prog based on TREETOP school is up this month

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