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Reading levels at start of Year 1

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Mumtoprem · 27/10/2013 08:03

My daughter has just started Year 1 and we have been told she is now on level 3 (Yellow) for reading.

Can anyone tell me what is the average reading level for the start of Year 1 and what level your children are on.

Daughter is statemented, has hearing impairment and speech and language delay.

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mrz · 28/10/2013 16:01

Firstly I would argue that children don't need to be "intensely drilled" as you put it in order to become good efficient decoders. To become good readers requires a certain level of maturity and vocabulary in order to understand what they are reading but this doesn't preclude summer born children as I've often found my youngest boys among my best readers.
My last reception class are currently in Y5 and these children are on track for level 5/6 next year.

TenthMuse · 28/10/2013 16:03

thegamesafoot - By my previous comment I simply meant that, in my experience, some parents choose to focus a lot more intensively on phonics at pre-school age than others. A child who has worked their way through an entire set of Jolly Phonics workbooks before starting school (as has been the case with some of my friends' children, not merely those I've taught) will obviously have a head start on one whose only exposure to books and reading has been independently flicking through picture books or having a bedtime story read to them. Add in the often widely differing maturity levels of autumn and summer-born children, and this can lead to a wide range of in reading as the children move up from Reception.

Not to negate the achievements of the children who are already reading at these higher levels at the start of Year 1 - many of them are very bright. However, I've often found that the younger or more 'average' children catch up with their peers over the course of the year, once they've had been exposed to a range of texts and their phonics skills are fully embedded. The status quo at the end of Reception (which, in many schools I've taught in, has meant that September and October-born girls are often deemed to be the most able readers) is not necessarily maintained into subsequent years.

mrz · 28/10/2013 16:08

It is very unusual for the children starting our reception class to have had any kind of phonics input before starting school and rare that any can match letters to sounds or are able to read words. Many will never have had a bedtime story or own a book or have visited a library.

TenthMuse · 28/10/2013 16:19

mrz - sounds like we must teach in very different settings - lots of ours (probably the majority) do. Many parents in the area where I teach
(suburban North London) automatically associate 'school' with 'reading' (as opposed to, say, number work) and see phonics as something that they can focus on to prepare their child for Reception. We have mainly supportive parents, but the children will have widely ranging experiences of early reading depending on how 'educationally savvy' their parents are.

mrz · 28/10/2013 16:32

Whereas many of our parents see learning as something that happens in school not at home and that teaching isn't their job

thegamesafoot · 28/10/2013 19:18

TenthMuse - thank you for elaborating.

What is the measure you are using when you say they catch up? Do you mean with respect to NC levels, book bands or both? Also do you mean the high average children being caught up with or also those that are on say white, lime or above at this point in year 1?

Sorry OP I'm just really interested!

columngollum · 28/10/2013 21:42

School reading levels are only a part of some children's reading. It clearly depends on how much they read out of school.

TenthMuse · 29/10/2013 12:53

Yes, sorry to get sidetracked OP - just to reiterate that it sounds like your DD is making good progress, especially in the light of the difficulties she has experienced.

thegamesafoot: In my own experience (and bearing in mind that this is in broadly fairly middle-class areas and there will always be exceptions!) there is often a group of perhaps six or seven very capable readers who emerge from Reception. These are typically (but by no means exclusively) autumn and winter-born girls whose parents have given them some additional phonics input at home, often because these children appear ‘ready’ for school and reading is one area that many parents prioritise. By the beginning of Year One these children are able to decode pretty efficiently, especially if the main teaching focus during Reception has also been on phonics. In the schools I’ve taught in, it would be rare for them to come up as free readers, but they’ve often whizzed through the early stages of the scheme books and have reached white level and beyond.

However, in many instances this group’s comprehension skills haven’t kept pace with their ability to decode. Yes, they can tell you roughly what a character is feeling, or broadly explain what has happened, but once higher order reading skills are introduced they can struggle. I think this may be in part because their understanding of what ‘reading’ is is very tied up with mechanical skills; they see being able to read the words on the page as the most important thing, and can struggle to see the point of questions about what they’ve read.

I’ve led many guided reading sessions where my middleish readers have shown a much deeper understanding of the text than my ‘most able’ group, picking up on nuances, reading between the lines and giving much more thoughtful responses to questions about what is going on. This may be because for these ‘average’ readers learning to read has been a more holistic process, where phonics skills have developed alongside comprehension skills. By the end of the year, some of these ‘average’ children (interestingly, it’s often younger boys) will have surpassed the ‘most able’ group from Reception. Often this is more in terms of NC levels, where more emphasis is placed on all-round understanding rather than the raw ability to decode. Usually there’ll be one or two of the Reception group (the really exceptional readers who genuinely love books and often also display considerable emotional maturity) who are still ahead, but those whose early advantage was based primarily on good phonics skills are overtaken.

I think in Year One generally things can even out a little – the summer born or more timid children are that much more settled in school; the boys who might have spent much of the Reception year tearing around on scooters mature a little, and those children who might be very capable but have had little input at home have had time to catch up.

Apologies for the essay – it’s a bit of a complex one, but I think the key thing in supporting able readers is to encourage them to take a thoughtful, discursive approach to what they read, rather than letting them race through level after level of the ORT (or whatever scheme is used) just because they can.

thegamesafoot · 29/10/2013 18:45

TenthMuse

Thank you so much for explaining (and no need to apologies for the essay Smile).

Clearly decoding skills are quite a different skill set from comprehension and skill in one doesn't confer an ability in the other. I also think, quite sadly, that many parents don't ask comprehension questions and that once their child hits gold/white and their child starts reading in their head, the parents ease up even more on the learning aspects of reading at home. To be honest I also find it very odd that so many school reading schemes stop at lime, because I think many parents think (many but by no means all) that their child can read now because they are free readers (and reading in their heads).

I do wonder, however, whether you have made a fair comparison between your top and middle groups if, as I am assuming, the two groups are reading different books?

For example my DD was asked by her teacher, towards the end of reception, what the theme of her school reading book was about. She was unable to answer this question correctly (as written in the home reading record). At home however, I explained to her what theme meant and then asked her if she could tell me the themes of Little Red Riding Hood, The boy who cried wolf and Goldilocks. She had no problem answering. The theme in her school reading book was relatively subtle and she was only just 5 - from her teachers perspective she had been unable to understand themes however my own experience was different.

So many things impact on a child's ability to comprehend a story, from age/maturity, life experience, empathy and the ability to stay focussed which also depends on how interested they are in the text. I have no problem with the idea that children with less developed decoding skills can have higher comprehension skills than children with more developed decoding skills.

I find it more difficult, however, to accept that this would be a consistent pattern between a top and middle guided reading group. Unless you had first eliminated issues such as the differing texts (you can after all ask far more challenging questions with a white level book compared to say an orange book) as well as age, life experience and the interest level of the children with the texts. On this latter point my specific issue is that so many of the higher level reading books seem to be geared towards boys - where are the books about animals, fairies, princesses (for young able readers) or themes that would interest older girls?

Thanks again for taking the time to explain - you've really got me thinking!

mrz · 29/10/2013 19:12

My experience is very different to that of TenthMuse’s, in Reception there was usually a larger group of capable readers by the end of the year. These are a mixture of boys and girls and from the full range of September to August birthdays. None of these children began the year reading or indeed with knowledge of phonics, many initially show little or no interest in books/stories.
By the beginning of Year One these children are able to decode accurately and show a good understanding of what they have read. It's very difficult to understand what you read if you aren't able to decode the words. Decoding and comprehension are taught in parallel as essential skills from the start. In my school we don’t have “free readers” or “guided reading” or indeed ability grouping.

simpson · 29/10/2013 20:37

I agree with thegamesafoot in that yes a lot of parents think once a child can read well, they don't need to hear them. I was guilty of this with DS in yr3 (last year) because he preferred to read to himself. But his class teacher told me that he had dipped in the inference of a story Blush so I did not make that mistake again!

DD's comprehension/understanding of stories was always much stronger than her ability to read (decode) but once she could do that (decode) she progressed very quickly because the understanding was already there iyswim. She is now 5 (yr1) and I would say they are about level.

And whilst I don't like/agree with the term "free reading" for a 5 year old my argument is that surely she would be exposed to more (different genres etc) than by reading stage 11 books (which are right for her, not disputing the level, I just feel it should be made up of more than ORT).

My DC school only go up to stage 11.

mrz · 29/10/2013 21:00

Books allocated by the teacher don't have to be ORT or indeed reading scheme books simpson

simpson · 29/10/2013 21:13

Exactly my point mrz but in my DD's case they all seem to be treetop ones or else an Australian reading scheme.

I am happy for her to read them but as long as we still have time to read what she wants to (to me) which currently we do not as we are doing school books all the time.

Periwinkle007 · 29/10/2013 22:46

I agree that school books need to be more 'wide'. Scheme books have their place but it wears thin after a certain level. Early chapter books are good but often the ones schools have are old and repetitive (IME)

I am lucky, my daughter is allowed to take in her own books now which she automatically picks ones appropriate to a solid level 11 having read a wide variety of scheme books, a load of school early chapter books and now she is enjoying a range of 'other' books all around that level. Holding her interest, giving her the chance to settle and learn other skills around the books and keep them age appropriate. I prefer this to the situation Simpson's DD is in where there is no time to read her own choice of books because she is now reading longer school ones.

Next year when my daughter goes into Yr2 I assume she will have access to a different set of books at levels 12 and above if thought to be appropriate.

I find it bizarre that anyone can think the majority of early good readers are automatically going to be overtaken by their classmates. Ok many will have picked it up just from being taught (isn't that the idea) but some will have picked it up themselves and taught themselves to read if they are very bright, some will be very bright and just quickly pick up the skills required in reception, some will have exceptional teaching in reception. Yes some of the ones slower at the start will overtake but I would be surprised if it was always the case.

simpson · 29/10/2013 23:01

My concern is that DD is already reading the highest level books in KS1.

Logic would say that the school will just get higher level/harder books when she is ready, but this did not happen with DS (yr4) as the books are kept in each classroom and each teacher is understandably protective of their books.

I think there will be kids who make a massive surge in reading in yr1 because they are developmentally ready to do so but whether they catch up with the other good readers in their year remains to be seen. DS (yr4) is still one of the strongest readers in his class and has been so since yr1, although admittedly the gap is not so obvious as it was in Yr1 with kids either reading fluently compared to some kids still sounding out.

mrz · 30/10/2013 09:02

I find the policy in your children's school very strange simpson ...why are books restricted to classes rather than being freely available where needed just seems stupid.

Periwinkle007 · 30/10/2013 09:23

sadly Mrz, I don't think Simpson's school is that uncommon from what friends tell me.

mrz · 30/10/2013 10:01

It's not something I've experienced as a parent or teacher Periwinkle but I don't doubt it is common practice

simpson · 30/10/2013 11:12

Glad it's not me that finds it strange!

When DS was in KS1 all the books were in the corridor so all classes (r-yr2) could access them. It was changed in his yr2 year.

Cat98 · 31/10/2013 09:01

Ds's school don't really have a scheme as such - ds brings home different level books, sometimes gold, sometimes easier ones and the one he has now is white band (though I feel this is stretching him a little - gold ones are about right imo).
I like this approach really as its not rigid as to the level they are reading. When he gets an easier book I ask him more detailed comprehension questions, his understanding level is fine I think .. I just wish we'd get a book more often! (See other thread)

simpson · 31/10/2013 10:30

Cat98 - I have the opposite problem in that DD gets too many books!

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