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Maths lessons for parents

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BillStickersIsInnocent · 15/10/2013 21:12

Is there such a thing?

DD is starting school next Sept, and I've been thinking that my maths isn't up to much. I can do simple sums, but long division/multiplication terrifies me, and as for times tables Hmm. I have a GCSE grade C in Maths, a degree in design tech and I manage budgets at work, but I'm much better at humanities.

Do schools run classes for parents? DH is great at maths and science, not so good at English/history/art so I guess we're a good team, but I'd like to be able to support her as much as possible.

I know it's a way off Smile

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snowmummy · 15/10/2013 21:32

Look up ace adult continuing education in your area. There should be something there to help. Good on you by the way, you being confident will helypur child no end

montymum · 15/10/2013 22:11

Lots of school run Maths workshops for parents. I run at least one a year usually taking parents through the different calculation strategies we use.

Ferguson · 15/10/2013 22:43

We were VERY LUCKY when our DS started in school, and the small village school did run evening sessions for parents, one on how to read with your child, and another on various aspects of numeracy. They handled it very well, with the teachers acting out different scenarios of how - and how not - to do things, acting the part of uncooperative pupils, or insensitive parents, etc.

But I'm afraid that was twenty-five years ago, before teachers had been ground down to the extent they are today, and school life was somewhat more relaxed. So I doubt if many teachers would have the will, or the strength, to do evening sessions for parents. When DS was in Reception I asked his teacher why he didn't seem to be learning any 'maths'. She explained to me how it was taught. A few weeks later, when I went as a helper on a countryside field trip, we saw some tall foxgloves, and the teacher got me to stand beside them. One was taller than me, and I am 5'10". At the end of term DS brought home a rolled up length of wallpaper, about 2m long, on which he had painted a picture of me, and a bit taller, a pink foxglove! It had pride of place on the kitchen door, for months in not years.

(I went on to become a TA at other schools for twelve years, plus ten years as voluntary helper in different settings.)

You don't really need this yet, but I will give you my standard Numeracy information that I pass to parents with queries on maths:

QUOTE:

Practical things are best for grasping number concepts - bricks, Lego, beads, counters, money, shapes, weights, measuring, cooking.

Do adding, taking away, multiplication (repeated addition), division (sharing), using REAL OBJECTS as just 'numbers' can be too abstract for some children.

Number Bonds of Ten forms the basis of much maths work, so try to learn them. Using Lego or something similar, use a LOT of bricks (of just TWO colours, if you have enough) lay them out so the pattern can be seen of one colour INCREASING while the other colour DECREASES. Lay them down, or build up like steps.

So:

ten of one colour none of other
nine of one colour one of other
eight of one colour two of other
seven of one colour three of other

etc, etc

then of course, the sides are equal at 5 and 5; after which the colours 'swap over' as to increasing/decreasing.

To learn TABLES, do them in groups that have a relationship, thus:

x2, x4, x8

x3, x6, x12

5 and 10 are easy

7 and 9 are rather harder.

Starting with TWO times TABLE, I always say: "Imagine the class is lining up in pairs; each child will have a partner, if there is an EVEN number in the class. If one child is left without a partner, then the number is ODD, because an odd one is left out."

Use Lego bricks again, lay them out in a column of 2 wide to learn 2x table. Go half way down the column, and move half the bricks up, so that now the column is 4 bricks wide. That gives the start of 4x table.

Then do similar things with 3x and 6x.

With 5x, try and count in 'fives', and notice the relationship with 'ten' - they will alternate, ending in 5 then 10.

It is important to try and UNDERSTAND the relationships between numbers, and not just learn them 'by rote'.

I am sorry it seems complicated trying to explain these concepts, but using Lego or counters should make understanding easier.

An inexpensive solar powered calculator (no battery to run out!) can help learn tables by 'repeated addition'. So: enter 2+2 and press = to give 4. KEEP PRESSING = and it should add on 2 each time, giving 2 times table.

There are good web sites, which can be fun to use, and the BBC sites are also useful :

www.ictgames.com/

www.resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/index.html

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PS: Enjoy it when the time does finally come!

KatoPotato · 15/10/2013 22:48

Ferguson huge thanks for your post, I've copy and pasted it for my DS!

Flowers
Ferguson · 15/10/2013 22:51

Thanks montymum, I am happy to stand corrected, and am glad to hear some teachers are still running workshops for parents.

[correction para 2: "for months if not years".]

Looby12 · 15/10/2013 22:51

Try learndirect they do online courses for adults

gallicgirl · 15/10/2013 22:52

Am I strange if I think 7 and 9 x tables are easier? !

Great tips and mini lessons for parents sounds a fab idea.

mydaftlass · 15/10/2013 22:53

DP and I are currently reading Maths for Mums and Dads. It is great. I just had parents evening for dd in yr 2 and it really helped me know what her teacher meant!

BecauseYoureGorgeous · 15/10/2013 22:55

I'd suggest you wait and see - if you've done a bit of maths yourself (GCSE) then it'll be a while before you struggle with supporting your child.

SweetSkull · 15/10/2013 22:58

I am doing a 6 weeks maths for parents at DD's school.
It has been brilliant and I am learning a new way of dealing with maths and numbers, so much better.
We also get homework!

Herisson · 15/10/2013 23:15

DD's school runs sessions for parents to explain maths methods. I have an A Level in Maths and still found it useful! Don't be afraid to ask for help. Most teachers will be delighted to find a parent who wants to understand it all.

BillStickersIsInnocent · 16/10/2013 04:29

Great thank you all, good tips and pleased that there are options out there.

Interesting to see times tables being learnt through physical objects - I was taught by rote (Friday test for 3 years at primary school) and I never learnt them off by heart. This way sounds much more appealing.

I think the most important thing is that I don't pass on my 'fear' of maths - numbers panic me (algebra fine).
I'm really keen to not negatively influence my DCs.

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PastSellByDate · 16/10/2013 18:18

Hi Billstickersisinnocent:

In my experience (DDs Y4/ Y6), yes most schools run maths sessions to help explain what is being taught.

But let's say you can't figure out how to explain something - this is where being a kid now is totally fab - the internet can help so much.

First off - try looking up HOW TO DO LONG DIVISION just using a search engine.

Now the format is up to you - there are websites where you can read about it - but if your DC (or you) are like my DDs - seeing it done whilst it is being explained (on video) just makes so much more sense

So examples of HOW TO DO LONG DIVISION:

COOL MATH FOR KIDS (WEBSITE): www.coolmath4kids.com/long-division/long-division-lesson-1.html - great site anyway (lots of fun games) - but it can help explain concepts/ terminology/ etc...

MATHS IF FUN (WEBSITE): www.mathsisfun.com/long_division.html - I find this nicely laid out & very clear.

BBC Bitesize (WEBSITE): www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/maths/number/multiplicationdivisionrev2.shtml often has summary reviews of 'big' concepts.

If you haven't come across this then please explore Khan Academy (it's totally free & you don't even have to sign up) - you can just search the 'learn' menu for what you're looking for. So for how to do long division: www.khanacademy.org/math/arithmetic/multiplication-division/long_division/v/division-2

I also found this maths dictionary for kids really useful: www.amathsdictionaryforkids.com/

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Now many (myself included) have posted to praise on-line tutorials in maths:

Komodo maths: komodomath.com/
Mathletics: www.mathletics.co.uk/
Maths Whizz: www.whizz.com/
Mathsfactor: www.themathsfactor.com/

If you're child is just starting school you can start from the beginning and by being there you can learn with your child. DH is severely dyslexic and just gave up on learning maths which was a huge struggle for him, but even he found sitting with our DD2 and watching Carol Vorderman on Mathsfactor (odd how that grabbed his attention!) - he came away and said Wow! I get fractions now! Learning is just so visual now - and the video game format just makes doing maths fun and stops making practice a chore (you don't face a sheet of 50 sums - you just play a game and by chance solve 50 sums).

All of these programmes have free trials and will test your child and start from where they're at.

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I also highly recommend playing maths games. Some schools will sign up to various websites (e.g. education city/ Manga maths from manga.high/ tutpup or on-line maths homework sites like MyMaths). USE THESE. Don't just see them as an at school thing. Let your child play these whilst you're cleaning house/ cooking dinner/ if they get up early/ etc....

Also don't feel you just have to do the lessons/ work the school assigns. If your kid likes maths and is interested - let them use the library on My Maths and learn new things. My maths has lessons to explain the concept first/ before going on to do the homework.

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There are some fantastic websites with games (or links to games) to support maths learning out there (all free):

Woodlands Junior school Maths Zone: resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/ - just select the area you're DC is learning about (may require a bit of trial and error to ensure games aren't too hard) and off you go.

BBC Bitesize KS1: www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks1/maths/ - this is really for Y2 children - but you can select difficulty level and your DC will probaby do a bit of this in Year 1 as well.

Maths Champs (zoned by ages): www.mathschamps.co.uk/#home

My main advice is don't feel you have to do this. There are tons of things out there (and hey by the way there are teachers at school too!) so support learning (encourage it, supply snacks, cheer when they do well, wipe away the tears when they don't do well, etc....) but don't feel you have to be all things to all people. I will say this - sitting with my DDs helping them type in answers whilst they work through the lessons on Mathsfactor has really made my mental maths sharp - it's been a brilliant refresher course.

Do make yourself familiar with the proposed maths curriculum (starting from 2014): media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/d/draft%20national%20curriculum%20for%20mathematics%20key%20stages%201%202.pdf

This will help guide you on what your child should be doing/ covering each school year. My main trouble with DD1 was not completely understanding what she should be able to do and when - so yes, talk to the teachers (and hopefully your school will have things like a numeracy policy - guidance on how they teach basic calculations) but also know that there are tons of things out there to help and it isn't all down to you.

HTH

SweetSkull · 16/10/2013 21:25

WOW pastsellbydate

I am really happy with your post it is very helpful!

I will subscribe my daughter to an online tutorial however I will pick only one, do you use all of them? Which one is better? or should we do all free trials and than decide?

Komodo maths: komodomath.com/
Mathletics: www.mathletics.co.uk/
Maths Whizz: www.whizz.com/
Mathsfactor: www.themathsfactor.com/

Also, is there anything for literacy too?

Michaelahpurple · 16/10/2013 22:29

I second the maths for mums and dads by mr eastaway suggestion - really very helpful on current methods

Cat98 · 17/10/2013 08:18

Some great posts from ferguson and pastsellbydate, thanks.
I am in a similar position op, maths gcse 'b' grade but it didnt come naturally. Also, weirdly, ds is fantastic at maths. He's only 5 but doing year 3 work already, and I'm fearing it won't be long before he's doing stuff I can't master!

I have found though that stuff I thought I'd forgotten is coming back as I do it with ds. I think we can learn it together as he starts doing more difficult things!
Thankfully I have an English degree so better equipped to help him with that, but funnily enough Literacy doesn't come as naturally to him as numeracy! Not sure why as dh isn't mathematically minded either!

PastSellByDate · 17/10/2013 09:38

Hi SweetSkull:

We just use the one (Mathsfactor) but again I stress that many have posted the praises of all four of these on-line tutorials here on Mumsnet and really it's about having an explore (there are demonstrations/ free trials) and determining which one suits you best (and that can be about cost, or format (lots of games/ competition) & it can be about what appeals to your DC).

My girls use mathsfactor (arithmetic school - DD1 Y6 now starting algebra school) but part of my 'evil plan' was giving them a female role model who clearly enjoyed maths (very definitely not the case with female teachers at the school who clearly don't like teaching this subject and are not inspirational/ entertaining when teaching maths in the slightest).

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early literacy:

You really can't beat OXFORD OWL: www.oxfordowl.co.uk/home - reading & maths advice/ free e-books/ help with phonics & games

Alphablocks on CBEEBIES - has old shows you can view, games, downloadable resources, etc.... www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/alphablocks/

rrbrigi (who seems to post a lot asking for ideas for on-line support) got a lot of responses to her reading schemes to support phonics question here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/a1726980-Reading-books-that-follow-the-phonics - mrz (MN resident literacy expert for primary) recommended:

www.phonicbooks.co.uk/completerange.php
www.sounds-write.co.uk/books_initial.aspx
www.sounds-write.co.uk/books_extended.aspx

If your school is following 'jolly phonics' - they do a set of workbooks covering the sounds in English systematically - which helps reinforce things, but also is in a fun colouring book format and gives DCs a lot of writing practice as well - available from amazon/ large newsagents and most book shops.

HTH

SweetSkull · 17/10/2013 10:15

Thanks

BillStickersIsInnocent · 18/10/2013 07:40

Thank you, this is really useful. Glad it's helped others too Smile

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