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Hi
As they are now trying to get some children to level 6 at the end of year 6 does this mean that they are going to expect every child to move 3 levels instead of 2? If so what would be the average and above average levels for the start of year 3. Thanks.

The expectation seems to be that the levels at the end of KS1 are the same ( so average 2b/a and above average 2a/3c) but the progress over ks2 is now 15 points rather than 12, so in effect 2 sub levels a year. So a child who achieves 2a at the end of year 2 should be 3b at the end of year 3, 4c at the end of year 4, 4a at the end of year 5 and 5b at the end of year 6. But different authorities seem to have slightly different interpretations of the "expectations".

Kids who hit L6 in y6 are probably already well above avg end of y2 (ie Level 3s).

Because to get from a level 2 to a level 6 is 4 levels progress, which is a pretty big ask ( although it does happen!)

OP - trying to get some kids to level 6 at the end of year 6? Where is the trying in a child who was level 3a/4c at the end of year 2 and who is at that level, admittedly not a lot of kids, but some?

DS is in yr4 and I was told by his yr3 teacher that he is targeted for a level 6 in yr6 in numeracy. He finished yr2 on a 3C which is good but not "out there" but he has really taken off since then numeracy wise.

Agree with spanieleyes in that DS is targeted 2 sub levels every year as apposed to 1 full level every 2 years.

DD is only in yr1 and I am sure she will be targeted a level 6 in yr6 (if they still exist) because she will be pushing a level 4 by the end of yr2 (reading) and a high level 3 (writing).

I'm no professional expert, just a parent, but think..

Progress through the fairly artificial sub-levels isn't supposed to be linear (or the same for all ability levels) so that two sub-levels per year thing is just a very rough guidance: KS2 covers four years which would mean 4x2=8 sub-levels = 2.7 levels which is too high!

"Expected progress" across the whole of KS2 was two levels because that was the national average, but that average improved in 2012 so it's now two-and-a-bit levels (in terms of 'points' it was 12 and it's now 12-13).

Note that L6 is a [pass|fail] and if you pass it's essentially counted as a 6b i.e. two sub-levels above a 5a.

L6 Maths works, but very few pass L6 Literacy and a DfE commissioned report recommended scrapping it. However I imagine L6 Literacy will stay until 2016 when in principle SATs will be replaced by 'Secondary Readiness' tests.

Hi thanks for replies, so am I right in thinking that a child working on a 3c at the start of year 3 will be expected to get to a 5b/a at the end of year 6? Xx

It depends who's doing the expecting.
What govt/Ofsted expect is not necessarily what your child should do. I think that most teachers know kids aren't programmed according to Ofsted manuals.

National average for percentage of children who made 3 levels progress ( that's whole levels, so a 2A to a 5c would count) this year are 30% in reading and writing and 32% in maths.

... but only like 0.5-3.5% got L6s in y6 for 2012-13, so pretty clear that there is no track record of most of those L3s in y2 making it to L6 in y6. No reason to establish those expectations, iyswim.

I'd rather children were just be children, rather than statistics and levels!!

Which doesn't make sense, but you know what I mean!!