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ORT phonics books (Dreaded Biff & Chip!)

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BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 19:06

DS is 5. He's not at a UK school as we are in Germany but as he is showing interest and trying to figure out what different sounds letters make, I wanted to give him some kind of structure.

I saw the Biff, Chip and Kipper books in The Works (before we moved) and saw that they have separate streams for "First Stories" (which seemed to be based on sight-reading) and "Phonics". The first four in the Phonics section were great and we're getting a lot out of them. DS finds them challenging but he is improving and he finds it a fun format.

However, I've got set 2 and two books each from 3 and 4 (because that was what they had at the time) and I've just read through "I am Kipper" which is the first book in set 2. DS is very confident with the basic letter sounds, but I think he's ready to move on to more... the problem is that this book seems to introduce them without actually focusing on them. In I am Kipper you have "I", and "Kipper" isn't phoenetic either because of the /er/.

In the second story in this book you also get "the" and the names Chip and Fluffy which again have new phonic sounds in them.

Now, ok, I could forgive the names since the names are from the original series which was based more on sight-reading, I understand. I've also read that some high-frequency words which have more advanced phonics (such as "the" and "I") are usually taught separately, because it's difficult to make stories for children to read without them.

However, the other books in Level 2 have the words "he" "put" "was" "she" "into" (and in the last one) "said", again, without focusing on the sounds in these words.

Are these normal words to teach separately or is this a failing of the particular series? I don't know whether to persevere with it or not. The whole reason that I decided to look into a reading scheme was because I like the way that phonics based teaching works and although he would probably be fine with a whole-word approach/working it out by himself, I like the other things that phonics teaches and I'd like to cover the phonics properly. Having flicked through a couple of the later books, although it's not always obvious which sounds have been covered because I have gaps, it seems this keeps popping up although it might be one word out of a whole book with an unfamiliar sound.

What do you think? Should I carry on with this scheme or is there a better one? Preferably not too expensive although I am teaching English here and may potentially teach children at some point in the future so they could come in handy for the right age group, but primarily I'm buying them to use with DS.

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simpson · 15/10/2013 19:10

Kipper is phonetic its just your child won't know the sounds yet.

Personally I would look at more phonics based books like songbirds and read, write inc. books.

You can buy them on amazon or check out the Oxford owl website and see if there are any free ebooks to try.

BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 19:46

Yes I realise all words can be sounded out, but DS doesn't know the sound /er/ yet because it's not one of the basic alphabet sounds, that's what I meant.

If I don't get terminology etc right it's because I've never had training on this, never had a child in UK primary school, I'm just going from my own research I've done online. I'd not heard of Songbirds and I didn't know Read Write Inc have books, so those are helpful suggestions, thanks.

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simpson · 15/10/2013 19:50

No worries! Although I am in the UK I had a child who taught herself the basics of reading before school and wanted to know more, I didn't have a clue what I was doing either Blush

If you look on the Oxford owl website I think there are a couple of songbirds and RWI books you can look at for free.

Another series of books which DD liked were the phonics corner ones (Run Rat Run was the first book she ever read).

MoaningMingeWhingesAgain · 15/10/2013 19:52

totally agree with simpson.
Songbirds and RWI are more decodable imho and a bit less suicide inducingly boringGrin

BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 20:02

Oxford Owl website looks great - tablet friendly books! :) However I can't tell what order they're supposed to go in which is a bit of a pain :( I am assuming there must be a guide to this somewhere?

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Periwinkle007 · 15/10/2013 20:02

Songbirds phonics are good, I have been impressed with them and there are some on the oxford owl website like Simpson said.

VinegarDrinker · 15/10/2013 20:14

I bought some of the songbirds books after being recommended them on here. I'm just a parent with a keen-to-read DS (who won't start school for another 2 years) so no expert, but the inside cover of each Songbirds book has a list of words "your child may need help with" & other useful info. I've found them logical & easy to usr so far. DS loves them too, especially Bob Bug and family!

Periwinkle007 · 15/10/2013 20:20

yes bob bug was a hit here too VinegarDrinker

BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 20:31

You have quite convinced me! I'll definitely get the Songbirds books - just been on the website and they look great. I love Julia Donaldson :)

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BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 20:34

I'd say DS is probably at the level of Stage 2 looking at the website, not sure whether to get the Stage 1+ as well. They're about €11.50 on amazon DE. However, that is 12 rather than 6 for the same price, and he's struggling a bit with sentences although his single-word reading is fantastic now. Tonight he was sounding out, e.g. b-e-d but he was saying b-ed as though he was immediately putting the e and d together. He did it for several different sounds too so I don't think he's memorised them!

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BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 20:35

Gah, I need it to hurry up and be the end of October so I can get paid! Grin

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Periwinkle007 · 15/10/2013 20:35

I think they are good because they follow a logical pattern (they say which sounds they are focusing on), they are fun, they also have different characters in them which saves some of the boredom factor in other schemes. My daughters like them.

simpson · 15/10/2013 20:45

I'm not sure if there is an order for songbirds, I guess there must be but with DD we just read all the stages 1s then 2s etc.

I listened to a yr2 kid read "Doctor Duck" the other day, brought back memories, DD loved that one.

VinegarDrinker · 15/10/2013 20:59

Berstie the stage 1s are a bit easy for DS too (I probably should've got them 6 months ago) but I'm still glad we got them as he has really enjoyed being able to romp through them easily, it's the first time he's been able to independently read a whole story from start to finish with no help.

Having said that I got that 12 pack for a v good price and it was all read in a day (he comes back to them but has a seriously good memory so has basically just memorised them all) so if they were more expensive I can see why you may not want to bother.

Periwinkle007 · 15/10/2013 21:00

DD2 was so obsessed with Dr Duck I have hidden it.

I don't think there is really an order either - just work through the stages.

Zipadeedoodah · 15/10/2013 21:02

Jolly phonics rules...

MuddlingMackem · 15/10/2013 21:09

DD's school had the Dandelion Launchers and Dandelion Readers (www.phonicbooks.co.uk/product.php?catid=1&subcatid=10). I think they are fabulous phonics books, as are Jelly and Bean.

BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 21:15

It looks like there is an order on the website. I guess in the big books though they probably go through in order so we'll just do that.

Do you get the bits about which sounds they focus on and "tricky" words in the sets of 6/12 stories or just in the individual school readers?

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VinegarDrinker · 15/10/2013 21:17

They are definitely in the sets, that's what we have. Each book still has a "front cover" & the parent info is on the inside of that.

We've borrowed more from the local library to save cash but obviously that isn't an option if you aren't in the UK!

BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 21:24

Ah, cool! :) They're much cheaper in the UK but amazon will sting me for postage :( I wonder if I could get someone to bring some in their suitcase if they are visiting!

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BerstieSpotts · 15/10/2013 21:26

There is an American library here, wonder if I could convince them to order them in for me?!

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simpson · 15/10/2013 21:55

Dandelion books are good. The school i volunteer in use them.

DD also liked the Usborne early reader ones which are read together. For example you would read the main page and the child would read the speech bubble (something like "I can!")

I got the whole set from amazon quite cheap and they were worth the money because once DD could read well, we went back to the first ones and I got her the to read the pages that the adult should read too.

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