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Would you find this normal practice/acceptable?

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laughingeyes2013 · 09/10/2013 20:21

I viewed a primary school for my child and as we were being shown around the building (a two story porta-cabin), I noticed that the classroom had about 8-10 year 2 children getting changed for after-school sports club.

One boy was walking around without his top, saying he has lost his sports kit. Another was scoffing down what looked like a chocolate bar, and another was accusing someone else of stealing his shoes. They were in a class full of computers, at the top of the stairs, and were totally unsupervised for the whole time we were standing in the doorway talking about the school. How long they would have been there before we turned up is anyone's guess.

The person doing the guided tour led us out of the building and didn't notice that one boy had been left alone in the classroom. When someone raised concerns about the safety of this, the person showing us around said she hadn't seen he was left behind, and that she wouldn't have left the room if she had noticed.

Staff at the school told concerned parents that they like to promote independence in the children at an early age, and that they had a high level of staff sickness recently which would account for the children being left alone like that, but would feed back to the head teacher. However someone I know (whose children attended this school) said it wasn't true, that it was indeed common practice, and that we were being fobbed off with excuses.

I am all for promoting independence in children, but I really didn't feel comfortable about a room full of 6 year olds being left unsupervised for as long as 20 minutes. Apart from the damage they could cause to each other if a fight broke out over 'stolen shoes', I hate to think what a lone 6 year old could get up to in a classroom on his own!

I then wondered how normal this is for schools to leave young kids unattended like this. Any thoughts anyone?

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tethersend · 09/10/2013 21:10

This is absolutely not normal. They should not be left unattended at all.

If one of them got hurt, the school would be in a massive, massive pile of steaming shite.

Staff sickness should have no impact on the supervision of children.

Was it a community school? I'd be tempted to speak to the LEA TBH.

laughingeyes2013 · 10/10/2013 02:26

I think it's a voluntary controlled school - whatever that means?!

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laughingeyes2013 · 11/10/2013 08:08

I've looked at the school website, which has a lot of information about safeguarding children, but nothing about risk assessments or guidelines for supervision of children on site.

I'm wondering if its a discretionary thing?

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BackforGood · 11/10/2013 17:09

No - it's not discretionary. Like Tethersend said, you don't leave a group of 6 and 7 yr olds unsupervised when they are in your care.

pixiepotter · 11/10/2013 17:19

This happens all the time at our school .How can one teacher continuously supervise 2 sexes of children getting changed in 2 different places?

laughingeyes2013 · 11/10/2013 17:22

Are you (and all the other parents) ok with that Pixie?

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laughingeyes2013 · 11/10/2013 17:25

It was just boys getting ready for rugby. I'd have thought it could be reasonable for whoever deals with the rugby to be present indoors and lead them all out on the field together?

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BackforGood · 11/10/2013 17:29

I'm not sure why 6 yr olds would need to be getting changed in different places Pixie ? Confused
Older children getting ready for after school clubs might have a teacher going in and out - though not leaving them unsupervised for twenty minutes - but 6 yr olds need a closer eye than that.

pixiepotter · 12/10/2013 21:40

Are you (and all the other parents) ok with that Pixie?

well I am , and I've never heard anyone else complain.I am not sure what would happen to them in 5 minutes getting changed in the loos.Mind you it is the girls who are trusted to get changed unsupervised rather than the boys!!

laughingeyes2013 · 12/10/2013 21:52

It just seemed unsafe to me. A bunch of 6 year olds, the class at the top of the stairs, alone for 20 minutes - and don't forget one child being left entirely alone after this time.

It must be an individual Head teacher's discretionary decision then. I agree that we live in a stupidly health and safety orientated society, but I am surprised there seems to be nothing risk-assessment wise to govern these decisions for looking after other people's 6 year olds.

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gloriafloria · 13/10/2013 11:58

Something similar happens in our school and I'm not comfortable with it although no one else seems bothered. There is an after school football club run by an outside company that starts at 3.30 pm in the hall. The boys get out of school 3.15 or 3.20 depending on their year group and make their own way to the hall to get changed. I am picking up my other child so I meet my son in the hall along with 1 or 2 other parents but most boys are on their own with lots of mucking about climbing, playing bashing the piano until the coaches arrive. I stay until they get there and often end up stepping in. This is for year 1 to 6 children.

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