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YR 2 teacher - where do I go from here, if anywhere?

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Goldenbear · 08/10/2013 22:46

DS (6) Is not enjoying school since starting YR2 so I requested to talk to his teacher today about it. He has told me he is bored and doesn't want to go. This attitude is such a contrast to the previous 2 years of his school life, in which he enjoyed both the work and social side of school. His end of year report was glowing, with 'exceeded' ticked in every subject except in PE.

I think his anxieties relate to the teacher being a shouter and was compounded by an incident last week as the teacher told the boys in the class that none of them would be allowed to go to the loo and would have to wet themselves as someone was deliberately leaving the taps on. They would also have to sit in this wet clothing until break time when they would be sent to the office for a change of clothes. DS was incredibly anxious about this potential threat. He had nothing to do with the 'crime' but knew if the perpetrators weren't found out he may be facing a potentially humiliating situation. My DP tackled this and DS was told in person by the teacher that it was not aimed at him.

At the weekend he was very upset that his friendship group has dwindled down to 3 as classes have swapped around, other friends have moved away. Obviously i told him not to worry.

Yesterday he told me that he thinks a particular TA in his literacy class tells him off all the time. He put his hand up to ask a question and she tapped him on the back and asked him if he was listening. I asked him if other children were allowed to put their hands up and he said, 'yes' but she told him off for doing this. He told me that he was using a pen to practice writing and it had dried up so he used another one to finish writing a letter- she told him not to do this. She apparently told him off about the same thing last week.

I went to speak to the teacher about his general unhappiness about school as it is really noticeable now. Despite requesting some form of communication about this when i dropped him off this morning, she didn't acknowledge me at all at home time, even though she had received my request to talk or communicate in someway. I said if it's not convenient I could write down the issues and hand them in tomorrow but I didn't want to discuss it in front of my son. She replied that 'we might as well get it over and done with'.

She said that DS knows she wasn't referring to him about the 'wetting yourself' comment but she did not deny it - I was quite shocked that it is true.

With reference to not liking school, being bored, she replied that she was very surprised as she has never had anyone remark on her teaching being dull. I corrected her as that was not what I was implying. She told me about the fun 'dress up' days as if they were her inspiration and this confirms she is not boring. One of them was a 'builders day' but it was across the year not just a class thing and there was a big input expected from parents. Parents in that trade came to help and I reminded her that my DP, who is an Architect, spent a good hour at work printing of drawings for them to use in her lesson. She did not thank my son or my DP for these efforts.

I told her that I was concerned about his reduced enthusiasm for reading. Her advice was to join a library! She then proceeded to tell me how useful they are. I couldn't believe how patronising she was. I have a Masters degree, I'm an English Literature Graduate, DP is an Architect, I don't believe she thinks we are not aware of the purpose of librarys. We buy are son books. Having books around, buying books, is not a problem, he's complete lack of interest in reading, coincided with the start of YR2- I'm keen to address this as he is only 6, he shouldn't be disengaged at 6!

The conversation went from bad to worse as I raised my concerns about friendships. I was looking for solutions and instead I got sarcasm about DS being keen to tell the teachers ALL of the time, what people are doing wrong. Basically- a tell-tale and she strongly believes this is where the anxiety is coming from. He is playground buddy and really enjoys the role. I had reservations as they trained them at the end of YR1 and some of the role involves trying to resolve disputes between children. He in essence has been asked to do the lunchtime supervisors dirty work and now has a reputation for being a 'tell-tale'. He was awarded a certificate for his efforts last week. I pointed out to the teacher how confusing he would find this if I relayed to him that he should not intervene in his role, as doing the right thing is wrong in his case!

Would you do anything else about this in my shoes or just accept things are not going to change?

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PastSellByDate · 10/10/2013 14:29

Hi Goldenbear:

Your DS sounds a bit unhappy, definitely anxious about some of the things going on (friends moving/ teacher threatening to let children wet themselves, etc...) and possibly his role as playground buddy.

The playground buddy thing:
Playground buddies are quite common at schools and are a means of getting children to learn to resolve disputes rather than run to the nearest adult - and usually are supervised/ guided by adults. If it is severe adults intervene. So really this isn't your son 'doing the lunchtime supervisors dirty work' - this is a way of allowing children to feel they can tell someone they're having problems without having the stigma of 'going to a teacher or dinner lady'. If you don't want your son involved in this - the answer is simple. Write to the school and ask that your son is withdrawn from the playground buddy scheme.

The teacher/TA picking on him thing:
I absolutely agree threatening a group of children with no access to toilet facilities and the potential risk of wetting themselves is pretty unprofessional - but I suspect was said in total frustration. Indeed a lot of what your saying sounds like Teacher/ TA struggling to get control of this class - they're stressed/ tired and it's showing. Unfortunately, in classes going a bit out of control, the quiet ones really suffer. Work doesn't progress fast enough to keep them interested, things have to be repeated because people weren't listening, sometimes very able pupils are discouraged from answering to try and encourage weaker students, etc... - all of which can lead a DC to feel a bit disappointed about school and lose interest.

My advice is given your meeting with your DCs teacher didn't go well - start keeping a log of incidents. Set yourself a limit. If my DC reports 10 things I'm concerned about or 3 things I'm seriously concerned about I'll ask to see the HT. This means that you aren't continually going to the teacher (so cools that situation off) and you are not instantly escalating the situation by going to the HT - you're waiting & watching. In our case, it has only come to a formal meeting the once - but 14 weeks of repeated reading material for guided reading having moved DD2 down a group was questionable educationally.

The Teacher is defensive
Oh boy is she ever if she's telling you she has a Masters in x or y. We get this a lot (both DH & I educated to PhD level & DH University lecturer) - and we just laugh especially as it's quite clear their undergraduate degrees are most definitely not from a Russell Group, shall we say. Teachers who know their stuff can respond to a simple question with suggestions or have the integrity to say 'I don't know, but will find out or ask around'. My feeling is that you've caught this woman out - the no toilet thing is actually against Health and Safety regulations - and she has been caught out, she knows she's upset a good child & probably feels a bit humiliated.

I know it is incredibly hard - but you need to either ignore this situation entirely (school is day care - and that's how we've learned to cope) or continue to be worried (and possibly influencing your son's view of all this negatively as well) and only can go into further battles (which is no good for anybody).

Every child has a year when the teacher isn't the greatest or is just downright awful.

Finally, from bitter experience, going to battle with a teacher more often than not results in the child being affected in one way or the other. It really isn't worth it. At the end of the day only the 'toilet' issue is major - and the teacher instantly said she didn't mean your DS and talked to him (which is an admission on her part that she was in the wrong). You won't get an apology or an explanation - schools just won't admit they got something wrong. But you will find that this kind of thing won't happen again soon and that's all you can ask for.

If there is a chance of moving your DS to another form (it sounds like some of his friends are in a different form) - I'd approach the HT and ask. Don't talk about the teacher, but explain that your son is very low and you wonder if it isn't because he was separated from his friends.

HTH

bonjourlondon · 10/10/2013 15:08

Hello,
I've just read this post and find it extremely interesting, intelligent and very well addressed. Goldenbear, I don't live in the UK yet but soon will be and I can see how I would sooooo just feel like you, having read your post. In France, where we live, I have experienced similar issues with the school. And I must say that your advice PastSellByDayte is GREAT, great and great, I shall remember it next time i have a pb with school.
Thanks to both of you.

PottyLotty · 10/10/2013 16:49

If it were my son going through this I would do the following:

Re being bored: I would approach the head and ask if they can offer him anything further to do in class as he currently is not stimulated in class by the work provided for him and as a result he is now unhappy to attend school. I would also explain that having spoken with his teacher regarding other matters you didnt want to approach her again as you feel you may come across as being interfering. (If the head then speaks to his teacher he can put it across that you were feeling this way and then you wont appear like you are running to the head due to her unsatisfactory reply) Wink

School Buddy: I would remove my son from doing this. In my experience children do try and fix things themselves and thats often why they end up fighting. They then approach an adult because they dont know how to handle the situation. Buddy's should be for children who dont have anyone to play with not to mediate between a school bully and his victims.

TA picking on him: Again this needs to be highlighted to the head. It really doesnt matter who leaves taps running, threatening children (or anyone in my opinion) is not a good way to behave. Maybe if the staff sat the children down and reminded them of the rules (turn off taps/lights etc) and even got the children to design a poster to hang in the loos to remind them to turn off the taps is better than using threats and they may find a better result. It is the same as bullying. Schools usually work hard to prevent bullying between the children but it applies across the board with teachers as well. Teachers should not bully children and threatening no toilet breaks/no changing out of wet clothes etc is bullying if it makes the children feel intimidated/threatened/upset. A form of Child abuse is emotional abuse where someone makes a child feel that they are ashamed, worthless or inadequate. I would say that any child who is prohibited from going to the loo by a member of staff who then wets themselves would feel pretty ashamed and inadequate if they are then made to sit in those wet clothes for a period of time. To me thats neglect and abusive. Hmm

I think that I would be tempted to look at moving my child. Even if you go to the head do you feel that the teacher may then 'take it out' on your child rather than look at their own failings ?

Maybe im not the best person to be answering this, I have had it with my childrens schools and the only reason they are still there is because my husband is refusing to allow them to be moved anywhere else. He is lucky, I would have moved them anyway despite what he said but the only other school within 5 miles only has a space for my daughter and not my son.

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