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reading, sorry, please help

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readingwreck · 18/09/2013 20:31

Hi, namechanged for this, but I'm around a fair bit. Wanted some sensible opinions before I go in to school and sound like a nutter.

DD is 6 - just. Just started Yr 2 at a state primary. She's reading lime level, which the school has given her. And reads them fluently enough although makes the odd mistake (sometimes can for can't if she's going too fast or 'the' instead of 'a'). Doesn't make mistakes on big words, only little ones, oddly. Never any indication that school thinks they are sending home wrong level. Reads with TA, not teacher.

Comprehension fine I think - I read with some of the older years at her school, so have some training and stuff. Try to ask the right questions. She understands, makes some pretty pertinent points.

She's been steadily moved down ability groups in the last two years, so she's now in the second to bottom group for, well, everything I think. So today they did their first guided reading. Her group were reading Yellow Band books - eight levels below what she brings home. Is that normal, and what is she really getting out of reading a Yellow band book? She was reading purple and then gold in guided reading last year, two groups up from this. Is this just lazy banding (I suspect she's in that group because her handwriting isn't very good) or is there a legitimate reason why you'd do that to a child? Personally I find it very demoralising, and she's not exactly enthused. Her confidence (and mine in the school) is at rock bottom now.

Should I say something, or will I look like a fool? I'm not deluded about her reading, the volunteers who work in her class always say how very good she is - I'm the one who has kept her on lime, her TA from the year below tried to move her up a band, but I thought she could do with a bit more time.

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Periwinkle007 · 18/09/2013 22:07

I think you have to check with the teacher - it doesn't sound right at all to me and it most definitely shouldn't be an unreasonable question.

allchildrenreading · 18/09/2013 22:18

How did your daughter do in the Phonics Check? It sounds as if the school is just trying to slow your daughter down so that she becomes an accurate reader. See what her teacher says and then maybe try the 'Notched Card' to help train her to look closely at each letter-sound as she reads:

www.piperbooks.co.uk/free-resources-learn-to-read.htm

It's very simple to use and very effective. She won't need it for long.

sittinginthesun · 18/09/2013 22:18

I agree you should ask, with particular reference to the guided reading.

Mind you, my youngest is an advanced reader (year 2 as well, Ruby level), and his comprehension is fine. His general literacy, however, isn't great as he dislikes writing, and he is pretty average at that.

readingwreck · 19/09/2013 02:22

Thanks - she passed the phonics test absolutely fine. I'd say my dd was pretty average at writing as well (certainly for handwriting, though her content is quite good when she bothers) , but surely that shouldn't affect her guided reading level?
I'll try talking to them in a nice non-confrontational way. many thanks

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itsnothingoriginal · 19/09/2013 10:39

It does sound as if they are grouping them according to overall literacy ability rather than reading levels in the class. How very demoralizing for you and your dd. She's obviously a good little reader and shouldn't be reading many bands below her ability Hmm

I think this is definitely worth a chat with teacher - any parents eve on the horizon yet?

In a similar situation with DD (yr2) and guided reading BUT at least there are separate guided reading and writing groups as dd definitely struggles more with writing (pretty common though I think at this age).

Re the getting little words wrong - I think as their fluency increases this can happen. I find dd misses the smaller words out because she is looking ahead and focused more on decoding the longer trickier words.

Good luck - hope you get it sorted out..

MrsMelons · 19/09/2013 10:44

Definitely have a chat with the teacher asap, I left a situation like this too late in the school year which resulted in no real progress for 18 months. It was an oversight due to a change in teachers so I was so cross with myself.

noramum · 19/09/2013 10:55

Have a chat. DD reads purple at home because she has issues talking about the story in school but reads gold in guided reading and most of the library books she reads are gold level and higher.

Reading such a low level at school is something I haven't heard of unless there is some other reason like a book the whole class reads for the topic they are doing, these books are normally a bit lower to get all the children the chance to read it.

She does the same mistakes your DD does and I ask her to slow down a bit. It always happens when she gets so fluent that she just thinks ahead. In 99% she changes the sentence so that it still fits into the story and is grammatically correct.

readingwreck · 20/09/2013 12:37

Thanks for your help all
OK - tried chatting to teacher. Still none the wiser. She will (grudgingly) allow her to read green books in guided reading, which I guess is better, but still a massive gap.
No amount of me saying 'either you are sending a book home with her every night which you think she can't read (although the TA thinks she can), or the guided reading level can't be right' is getting me any further. Stalemate, I guess.
DD does have some hearing issues, I wonder whether she doesn't 'perform' in guided reading. Teacher has never heard her read individually. But I think it's now the lack of logic that is baffling me. Guess I will just keep quiet and hope it resolves itself.

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oldromantic · 22/09/2013 07:06

Bit late to reply but hope it helps. Im a primary teacher and it is pretty common knowledge and practice that guided reading groups should read the level above their independent stage, with the theory that they are being taught and challenged in this guided situation. Should definitely not be reading below I depended level, not even equal!! I think you should go back to teacher x

oldromantic · 22/09/2013 07:07

Independent..... Not I depended!!

readingwreck · 22/09/2013 08:17

thanks oldromantic. I'm not sure I dare as it then looks like I'm questioning her levels, apparently.
It appears that they run two parallel schemes. One, which I understand, sends home books based on whether they can read or understand them. This sends home stage 12. The other (guided reading) 'assesses' them as having an NC level and then puts them in a group according to the level. So she's at the national average and will be allowed to read green band,
So it works like Schrodinger's reading scheme. My dd can read and understand the book that they send home, so they send it home. However, she simultaneously cannot read and understand a book at this level because she is a 'whatever' level, and 'whatever' levels cannot read and understand this book.
Cue baffled mummy who feels a bit patronised.

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