Mr Gove's solution to shortage of reception places perhaps?

[mrz]

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/14/primary-school-admissions-code-change-confusion?CMP=twt_fd

The alleged change is that the foreword, which does not form part of the statutory code, no longer includes the words "full time". Indeed, the current code doesn't have a foreword at all. The relevant provisions of the code remains the same and my reading is that the school in this case has got it seriously wrong. I hope the Schools Adjudicator agrees. And for what it is worth I think the mother concerned would be very poorly advised if she attempts legal action against the DfE.

read this amazingly no comments from guardian section.

Guess this puts end to parents saying no to staggered starts although a few locally going full time from the start.

A few things need to be considered here.

1tly we dont have enough school places they know that and need to do something thats not exactly goves fault entiry

maybe if we were more flexible on start dates so those parents who want to start their kids later can as at moment can defer r place but to defer util year 1 they lose place and start new application.

Ironic that most schools don't support flexi schooling yet they suggesting part time.

that the policy does not discriminate against some 4 year old,s favour others so everyone has equal choice.

if in this case the girl who dident get in offered part time and other 4 year olds full time that would be wrong.

biggest simplest isssue here is want parents back in work, want to save money on schools budget lets invest and subsidise childcare in uk and make us a more competative country and lets separate the issue of education from childcare as here its more great no nursery bills.

Must also point out as guaradian failed to do is she will still get free 15 hours efys funding which could be used by childminder and possibly use childcare vouchers through work.

Is it right that some parents regard schools as free childcare?

Just to add to my previous comment...

The words "full time" have never been part of the statutory code. I am aware of a number of schools that continued to insist on four year olds starting part time even when the old code was in force.

As I say, the wording in the statutory code is unchanged. The question is whether or not it should be interpreted in the way the DfE intended, i.e. children being able to start full time in the September following their fourth birthday.

Mrs z know i dont its right but its a fact if child is in fulltime school at 4 then they not in parents care and in care of others with no charge as education is free in this country.

I honestly think we need big shakeup and they need to start takig childcare seriously.

Ins some cases its more than peoples rent and mortgage.
everythinsg going up eenergy, petrol food but wages are not in most sectors so yes a nursery/preschool bill can be a burden.

In this case shes arguing a fulltime place it seems not because my child is ready for schools shes using the I have to words I have to work, childcare expensive im being penalised.

dot know why shes not going lea appeal surly legal case against dfe be pricey.

im not a fan of guardians bias inaccurate lazy journalism at best of times but anything education they just go for it yes its must be all goves fault.

What confuses me (sorry if this is a stupid question) is that if there aren't enough places when they are four, there won't be enough places at five. The number of children will not dramatically reduce and class sizes don't go up at that stage so where are the extra places going to come from?

guess gives them time build more schools but yes competition for year 1place be just the same as 31 ruling on infant class size.

I guess if everyone went different times could maybe stagger the numbers better some leas in past did have 2-3intakes a year as freind son windsor started jan.

we were told when i applied 2009 we lose place changed since so you can defer but not until year 1 without fresh application and hard if no one in r is leaving and r is full

The county next to me as a child everyone started on their birthday so joined throughout the year.that was wales and a long time ago.

I guess if everyone went part time for infants one school could educate more kids! so in single intake 60 instead of 30
double 120kids instead of 60

they could all have 5afternoons or mornings.

But thern imagine the trouble it would cause.

unless they could do hybrid

15hours at preschool 15hours at reception so total 30hours.
but 2settings mayeb 2places not ideal.

my dd sept so missed by 16days so have extra year paying for nursery.

also started her preschool sept had to wait jan for funding ifshe had been december would have waited couple of weeks.

legally from parent point of veiw they dont have to start school until term after 5th birthday. you can still get 15hours up to that point but from asking around no ones keej to have a 5year old preschool said definate no.

maybe we need nurseies for older kids so

0-3
3-6 with some doing primary school runs and holiday clubs be good.
speaking to fultime mum who works last one due to go school september she says gets whole lot tricker childcare when they out of nursery as nursery 8-6 5weekdays and runs in school holidays.

I think most education news tends to be lazy and often sensationalised ... (and often portrayed as the teachers fault rather than Mr Gove) but I do wonder if oversubscribed areas will see this as a get out clause when there simply aren't enough school places to meet demand.

I agree mrs z im sure no joke here read one article about the future of a an 8-8 school and kids going school in shifts i kid you not.

what woman in this article not discovered yet is

some schools have truly rubbish provision for working parents.

they may have no brekkie club
no afterschool club
afterschool that finishes too early
17-18weeks holiday average person gets 6 so 2parents 12weeks .
they cant go i they slightest bit sick no leaving the calpol like nursery.
the inset days
the amount of evensts some sprung on you like nice surprise and most inconvienint times.
inset days
slightest bit of bad weather!

all that makes nursery seem like attractive option.

here you go the holy grail the mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115711/Immigration-created-primaries-1-000-pupils-forced-children-eat-lunch-shifts.html

my dds school already eat dinner in 2sittings due to small hall.

but they were considering

split shifts 8-2pm school
2-8pm what child could manage being up that late.

mad hopefully just scaremongering

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/8829143/School-places-shortage-leave-children-facing-being-taught-in-split-shifts.html

www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/classrooms-on-stilts-staggered-playtimes-and-8am8pm-teaching-shifts-how-one-primary-school-is-battling-the-bulge-8672575.html

remains to be seen if this get go ahead.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1802325-Mr-Goves-solution-to-shortage-of-reception-places-perhaps?msgid=40463177#40463177

That's a specific case though isn't it -the school in Bournemouth prefers to have all children part time until Christmas and then it sets classes, a long induction really and gives teachers a chance to know children. I friend of mine will be doing this.

It sounds a nightmare if you're working or don't have family to pick up etc but I guess is the same as pre school.

Not sure that school's case is anything to do with classsizes though, more to do with working parents not managing a half day induction programme.

It will only delay matters as from Year 1 they need the class to be a max of 30 children.

Also if suddenly half the children start late or only part-time then they will behind and all the great ideas of learning early and fast can be forgotten again. What does he want?

I work and I don't see school as free childcare but I think such a set-up is a nightmare to accommodate even part-time worker and will just confuse the child as well.