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Non computer based Maths Programme- Year 4

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greenbrown · 01/07/2013 11:28

Are there any non computer/online based programmes to help my DD in Year 4 who is slightly behind in Maths, with guided instructions on solving the problems?

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ReallyTired · 01/07/2013 11:39

I used Rising stars books for year 6 literacy and they were very good. I have to admit I have never tried the year 4 books.

Prehaps you could try this.

www.amazon.co.uk/Rising-Builders-Fractions-Decimals-Percentages/dp/0857696904/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_z

www.amazon.co.uk/Excellence-Problem-Solving-Mathematics-Year/dp/184680762X/ref=pd_sim_b_8

PastSellByDate · 01/07/2013 13:20

Hi greenbrown:

Not sure why you don't want to use computers - as maths learning is ideally suited to video game/ computing formats.

My suggestion would be to go to a big newsagents/ book store and have a look at what workbooks they have on offer with your DD there. You look out for clear instruction & let her chose based on what she values (illustrations, puzzles, etc...).

I am afraid I don't know which workbooks to recommend, because we haven't gone that route ourselves - but my personal advice is before you buy on line have a look at something in the flesh (as it were) first.

HTH

greenbrown · 01/07/2013 20:11

The problem with most of the computer/ online based I have come across is that there is not a guide and instructions showing how to solve maths problems

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PastSellByDate · 02/07/2013 10:22

greenbrown:

Not sure about all these programmes, but before I go on about what we've had success with - others parents recommend here (e.g. Mathletics, maths whizz, kumodo) - but...

I can assure you that mathsfactor (www.themathsfactor.com/) starts 97% of sessions with a short video from Carol Vorderman clearly explaining a basic maths concept, then a quick warm up (so reviewing simple addition/ subtraction/ multiplication/ etc... progressively getting harder in a fixed amount of time - 60 seconds I think) or a game reinforcing the concept you'll be working on and then exercises to work within that skill concept and bed down skills.

have a look at some of the sample lessons here: www.themathsfactor.com/arithmetic.aspx

also there is a summer school (opens this Friday I think - just one payment of £14.99 - and runs until late September).

We use the arithmetic school and have been working on that since May of Y2 for DD1 (now Y5) - she finished Y1 at KS1 SATs on 1b for math (was barely able to subtract) and she's flying now - streets ahead of her peers. I don't totally feel it is how the school teaches maths - but there is rarely homework so little opportunity to practice. I'm also clear that DD is very visual; so learns best by seeing someone do it, rather than reading instructions or listening to them. Finally - the slow and steady, good old fashioned building block approach means DDs sense of number patterns and short cuts to answers (like knowing 7200 divided by 900 is the same as 72 divided by 9) is solid, with firm understanding of number pattern and alternative solutions/ methods to solving problems.

Have a look before you write something off. Most of these on-line tutorials have free trials - so you really do have nothing to lose. It's a commitment of between 30 minutes to 1 hour a week - and month on month you can gradually see the difference it makes in confidence and then ultimately skills/ achievements in mathematics.

We went the mathsfactor route greenbrown and sincerely, we've never looked back and I just completely ignore what the school is or is not doing now. DD1 literally wipes the floor with the 'home grown' talent in the school and I personally think I've made my point with a HT who told me at start of Y2 when I raised my deep concern about a 8 year old unable to add numbers above 20 and subtract 1 from 10 - that "What you need to understand Mrs. PSBD is that your DD1 is just a bit dim, she's never going to be good at maths".

I personally believe unless there's an underlying issue it's totally possible to build firm maths skills - but it takes work & practice. Mathsfactor just makes it easy for us busy parents - turn on the computer & go (you get updates on your child's progress & previews of what they'll be doing next) - simple and successful.

You may have to help type in answers at first - but eventually your DD will think you're too slow and take over (after about 8 months for DD1) - and then you just marvel at their facility with numbers, genuinely.

HTH

PastSellByDate · 02/07/2013 10:24

sorry should have been comment from HT at start Y3 - based on comments from parents on report card at end Y2.

ReallyTired · 02/07/2013 10:34

There is certainly a place for computers in learning maths, but learning to solve problems is slightly different. Often problem solving in maths is an excercise in reading and gleening information as much as maths.

Work books provide written problems and in a SATs exam there is no Carol Voderman to explain how to do the problem. Its easy to take simple work books on the train or plane or in fact anywhere with no internet connection.

There is a time and a place for both.

MrButtercat · 02/07/2013 10:46

We've used the Rising Stars Excellence in Problem Solving with ours.They are year group pitched and have a section on working out problems with a mnemonic to remember (read,decide,approximate,calculate,check). Each section has hints and tips and examples.Also have used the Heinemann word problems book which they copy into exercise books.Both are quite way though so you may want to pitch up a year group.

If you go on the Riing Stars website you can see page examples.

Haven't done much tbh this year but will get to grips with it in the hols.

The Schofield and Sims problem solving books are liked by my ds but more like a puzzle book iykwim.

MrButtercat · 02/07/2013 10:47

Sorry should have said quite easy(damn Ipad).

PastSellByDate · 02/07/2013 11:45

Hi greenbrown:

I don't think reallytired has used Mathsfactor or she would know that there are word problems in the exercise bit.

Again I stress the set up is:

Short video with Carol Vorderman gently guiding you through a concept (saying subtraction - with visual graphics showing counting back on a number line for example)

A warm - up - (which would be something straightforward like simple additions/ subtractions (1 digit) & progressively harder (mixture of 2 digit addition/ subtraction & multiplication tables) timed over 60 seconds & you are challenge to beat previous score.

Alternative to warm-up is a short game - often re-working similar problems to the guidance instructions

then

CONVENTIONAL HOMEWORK - problems on a page that you solve by typing in answers (you have pencil function to work out maths to the side, to carry numbers, etc....) or you can just use a piece of scratch paper at the side of the computer & you type in answer.

The programme is about core skills - so facility with addition, subtraction, multiplication & division and does heavily emphasise this - but coupled with work from school, problem solving skills are there. I assure you there are problems like you have 37 eggs and cartons that hold 8 eggs - how many cartons do you need to hold all 37 eggs.

ReallyTired does raise a good point though - there is all sorts out there - but I suggested this option because you said that you wanted clear guidance on how to carry out mathematical operations for your DD - and the mathsfactor has sincerely done that for us.

ReallyTired · 02/07/2013 12:00

PastSellByDate do you work for the Maths factor marketing department?

PastSellByDate · 02/07/2013 12:06

No - I'll PM you RT.

just a Mum who got pissed off with school's excuses and went her own way (as many have with mathletics, maths whizz, kumodo, etc...) - because you see sometimes practice is what really is important.

I don't care how you practice - and I get that it depends on the child and what they respond to - but all I was trying to say was that if greenbrown was feeling on-line things don't provide explanation - for the programme I use at least it does provide 1-2 minute videos explaining basic concepts and how to actually do things + reinforcing games & practice.

It's worked for us. I can't swear for everybody else - but given it's a free trial - why not give it a go and see?

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