NC levels in year 3

[mybestday]

I'm really confused about NC levels. Ds teacher just told me what ds has been given as end of year mark but I didn't really understand. What is normal at this stage?

What were his levels at the end of year 2?

"expected" for the end of Year 3 is a 2a/3c.

Your child (if behaving in a nice linear fashion) should have improved by 1-2 sublevels in each area from their end of Y2 results.

He had level 3 for everything but not broken down to a,b or c.

Sorry x posted. He goes to a normal local primary school, but the class seems full of really clever dc who he always compares himself to so questions how clever he is (eg. 'I wrote 4 pages for my writing but a and b and c wrote 7, 8 or 9 pages' etc).

What levels has he got for the end of year 3?

Level 3 at the end of year 2 isn't broken down into a,b,c and as I presume you know is above average. Some schools will only give level 3 if it is a secure level 3 ie 3b or 3a but not all do that.

Level 3 for Y3 is somewhere in the range of "coming along nicely" to "doing very well but not quite at genius level".

Either way, nothing to worry about (unless you have specific concerns unrelated to levels of course).

He has levels 4c. I don't want to sound like a pushy mum but it seems that there are quite a few dc doing quite a bit better than him from what he says. I know his levels are good but not sure how good iyswim. I cant poSsibly talk about this in RL.

4c is very good for the end of Y3 and would (I guess) put him in the top few % nationally. As a comparison, at DS's school (which is very "average" in terms of results) I think only the top 4 or 5 children in a year group of 120 achieved that (and not across the board). If there are lots doing better than him, you must be in a very high achieving school.

Thanks red. That's really helpful. It seems to be his year group. DS2 is considered top groups in his year but they are doing nothing like what ds1 and his cohorts were when they were his age. Its all a bit confusing.

Yet another post in which someone's DC has levels above expected levels and they honestly had no idea and needed to come on Mumsnet to check...except in this case the OP admits in her 4th post that she "knows his levels are good but not sure how good."
I simply can not understand how posting on a forum such as Mumsnet will help you decide "how good" your DC is and what you'd constructively do with any information you get in any case.
But maybe that's just me.

AlienAttack - my thoughts exactly.

Totally agree. I sound show-offy and smug. I know my ds1 is clever but genuinely interested to know how clever as this is something I never talk about. No reason for it, just want to know.

To be fair, OP has said that she can't talk about this in RL.

OP, 4c would be respectable at the end of Y5 and just below national expectations at the end of Y6, so you son is clearly doing very well.

I would think it would be especially unusual to get 4c in everything. My ds has never got the same level for maths and writing for example. And reading tends to be higher than writing doesn't it?
Disclaimer: I really know v little about it. I do know that you can google a table wh gives you percentages for each level.

For the record, there are children who might write several pages but most of it could be a rambling load of nonsense. Less is often more. So don't be swayed by your ds thinking that other kids writing loads means they're cleverer.

So OP, if you "know your DS1 is clever but genuinely interested to know how clever" why don't you post about that? Instead you post about your DS2 (also above expected levels, as it emerges from your drip feed of information) and then add a little tempter of "DS2 is considered top groups in his year but they are doing nothing like what DS1 and his cohorts were when they were his age"...and here we are, a couple of posts on and you're apparently trying to establish just how clever your DS1 is.
I genuinely don't see how you expect to receive any useful input from Mumsnet contributors if you aren't honest about the situation. Otherwise, surely you're just wasting everyone's time on here?

Give a woman a break! I think from the posts the OP may not be a native speaker of English. My kids go to a very, very mixed school in terms of pupils' origins. I think on a daily basis how utterly baffling our crazy system must be for all the parents who didn't grow up here. DS 1 has a Korean friend, who to me is obviously very bright and doing very well. His poor mother is beside herself trying to understand all the code the teachers have to talk in. Perhaps OP genuinely is confused, has a very able DS 1 and simply had not realised?? And if she is well aware and wanting to broadcast her son's wonderfulness, well so what? If you don't like her post, don't bother with the thread! I love Mumsnet but today I've read one bitchy, insecure comment after another...

Yes you are right alien. Just read my first post and it is awful. Ds came home last night talking about how clever all the other dc in his class are and i was confused after his teacher had told me his recent nc levels and wondered if they were as good as i thought. I know its ridiculous and it doesnt even matter but cannot bring myself to talk to his teacher or friends about it and really just want to know. Sorry to drip feed too.

Sorry biscuitneeded but I don't agree my comment is either bitchy or insecure. If OP comes back and says that she has muddled DS1 and DS2 and whether she knew or not how clever he is, then I'm happy to stand corrected. But I don't see why you can assume a whole scenario of Non-native English speaker, a "poor mother" finding the system "utterly baffling".
And on what basis do you feel it appropriate to tell me not to bother with the thread? If OP had posted that she wanted to celebrate her DS1 achievement, I would not have posted. But she didn't.

Cross-posted with OP

Oh... I don't want a fight! I just think she asked a question, which was 'what is normal for Y3', in order to work out how far ahead her two sons are. That's all. I don't think she deserved the accusations of stealth boasting, which I felt was a bit unkind. I shouldn't have assumed that your hostile response was fuelled by insecurity though; I just couldn't imagine why you would use valuable time engaging with the thread without actually answering her question if you didn't have a reason to feel in some way a bit personally affronted by her sons' achievements. But that was probably wrong of me and I apologise.
I may also be totally wrong about the non-native speaker thing. OP, please enlighten me! It was just a couple of things like 'levels given as end of year mark'. The lack of article makes me think the OP may be SE Asian. Or "he has levels 4c". I just don't think a native speaker would write that. I also know that the mother of my Ds' Korean friend would be mortified if anyone she knew in real life thought she was boasting; which is exactly why she wouldn't be able to ask this sort of question of a parent she knew and would have to resort to the anonymity of MN. But I am very willing to be proved wrong!

I don't want a fight either. And maybe I shouldn't have bothered to post but I dislike what I see as falseness (both on here and in RL). No insecurity here, I would be delighted if we could find a way to celebrate publicly our children's academic achievements as we can their sporting and musical achievements but I don't think threads like these help in anyway to do that.