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A 5 year old child escaped from primary school yesterday

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Dubai · 06/06/2013 11:49

My son escaped from his school after dop off yesterday morning. They left a voice mail saying he was a bit wobbly but nothing to worry about. When I gave them a ring back to my horror i find out that he actually run away from school, his teacher did not notice, teacher assistant did not notice. However nursey staff saw him from the window but no one bother to run after him. We are talking a 5 year old who luckily was spotted running, crying, and very distressed near the road.
This school has just been graded "outstanding" and when talked to the incompetent and unprofessinal headteacher she said :"it is hard to control the situation"I find it shocking in this school that no one is able to take responsibility they are all the time hiding behind each other, covering each other's ass.....My child is with me today at home -i am still shaking writing this email -and his "outstanding" school is no longer asafe place for him to be
Anyone out there who has been in the same situation
Many thanks

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RaisinBoys · 06/06/2013 13:07

Had a similar thing with my DS a few years back, but I was still on the premises as bell had not been rung so officially handover of care had not happened.

Horrible for you.

Is it a state school? If so, when you're feeling a bit calmer I would email/write to the Head and ask the clear question - "what policies and procedures do you have in place to safeguard my child when he is in your care?"

If you are not satisfied with the answer escalate it to Governors, then LEA, then Ofsted.

I have no experience of independent schools - I'm sure someone else will be along soon who has.

TeenAndTween · 06/06/2013 13:09

This must have been very scary for you.

I would be looking to find out, in as calm a manner as possible:

  • why your son decided to leave his class room (or wherever he was meant to be)
  • what time this occurred
  • how long he was/may have been 'missing for' before it was noticed
  • what 'security' measures, policies and procedures they have in place
  • how he got past the security measures
  • what they are going to do to prevent this re-occurring
  • what you are going to do to prevent this re-occurring.

At my DDs school I don't think a child 'gone missing' would necessarily be noticed immediately, especialy in a free flowing YrR, but it would be picked up when the 'tables' rotated between activities.
However, there is good security in place so that a child would be noticed/prevented leaving via a door etc.

Maybe write an email asking for the above to be investigated, and then a face to face meeting to discuss. Try not to be over-emotional, or to use words like incompetent or unprofessional.

A few years back a YrR child slipped out unoticed at hometime before her parent arrived. She went home on her own! 2 days later the arrangements for collecting YrR were changed to be even more secure than they had been before.

Hope you get a resolution. This may have scared your DS so he doesn't do anything so unsafe again!

learnandsay · 06/06/2013 13:48

there's another similar topic here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1771646-So-DS1-just-walked-out-of-school-today-he-is-eight

Dubai · 06/06/2013 16:10

It is a state school Rasinboys. I had a chat with HT yesterday and admits it is hard to have a control over the situation with parents dropping kids inside classroom. I have found out from the thread provided by learnandsay(thanks) that some schools have guards. This school does not have one and it not long ago somebody went inside the school and had to call the police.
TeenandTween thank you for your contribution, it is nicely done and i like your pertinent questions. This is not the first incident with the school . My gut feelin is to keep him at home for now as i am indiscussion with social services, council and ofsted.

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 06/06/2013 16:17

Was he already given over to the care of sch when he went missing, or did it happen before school day began?

It's difficult to tell from your OP, sorry to be so thick!

Dubai · 06/06/2013 16:23

Oh no one noticed he was missing, i am told a nursery staff saw him but did nothing to get him. He kept running; a parent saw him running and crying outside SCHOOL , grabbed him, took him back to the office.
He wanted to cross the road and get home as we are quite near school

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Dubai · 06/06/2013 16:26

I handed him over to the teacher, he walked inside the classroom and i walked away

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 06/06/2013 16:31

Then you are right to keep him home til sch can assure you that they can keep the children in their care safe, and that should include reviewing drop off arrangements and assessing how to reduce the possibility that a child can exit sch premises unchallenged.

The nursery staff is a red herring, they may have had duties or responsibilities preventing them from leaving their post.

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops · 06/06/2013 16:38

So he was chasing after you during school drop off time?

It does sound chaotic with parents going into classrooms.

With my DS's school, they line up in the playground, parents wait with them, then they all go in when the bell goes. Parents can't go into the school unless they sign in and are buzzed through.

jojane · 06/06/2013 16:42

It sounds like it happened at a time when he could have been in the care if either you the parent or the teacher and its a bit of a grey area as to who is where etc.
At our school there is a teacher at the door, parents take the children to the door or watch from across the playground until they hve entered the door, children aren't allowed back out. Likewise at home time we wait outside classroom door and the teacher only lets them out when they can see the parent.

Dubai · 06/06/2013 16:45

i am sure that was the case but common sense is ithat f you see sth urgent that needs our attention like a child at risk we drop everything and catch him, we do not even think about it . I am so livid whenever i think about this to be honest

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Startail · 06/06/2013 16:48

It happens, a couple of siblings decided to walk home from the DDs old school. HT and Governors were Blush, they built a totally climbable fence, in a non over looked location Confused. Hence any child can do the same thing again. No one did.

Seriously most primary sites are very easy to leave if you want to.

The truth is school age DCs very rarely try to wander off and schools do not have nursery type precautions.

You are right to be furious, the school needs to check it's procedures, but you also need to ask why your DS did it.

Dubai · 06/06/2013 16:50

yes, it is complete chaos, i have evn seen parents with prams in classrooms

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LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops · 06/06/2013 16:53

I can totally see why you are upset, but I do think you are over reacting by keeping him off school.

Best thing for now, would be to drop him as normal, but wait by the gate until everyone is in and settled. The staff will then have control, and you'll have peace of mind until they hopefully change the system.

TeenAndTween · 06/06/2013 16:58

OK. They probably need to have a no parents inside classrooom rule for a start. There is no need for that at all. All across the country reception children learn to say goodbye to their carers in the playground, and then hang up their own coats etc. For the few who can't by themselves the TA can help. It adds totally unnecessary chaos to the start of the day.

Our school lets parents into yrR classroom on day 1 until max 9:30 (in DDs year they were all gone by 9:10). Then it lets parents in to lobby area for first week or so to help with coats, and after that strongly discourages parents inside the school building (additional needs aside).

The teacher or TA is at the door so messages can be passed on as necessary, but parents and prams (!) must make it all very chaotic so I can see how a child could go astray.

insanityscratching · 06/06/2013 17:37

Dd's school double registers the children in the morning. So parents bring the child into the classroom (doors open onto playground) and the TA on the door registers their arrival. Parents leave by the same door but the TA remains on the door until all children are on the carpet ready for registration by the teacher. Registers are cross checked before the day begins. Children can't get out of the classroom past the TA and they can't get out into the corridor because of the high locks in reception. Even if they managed to get into the corridor they can't get out of school because the outside door has to be buzzed open by the office.

Ragusa · 06/06/2013 17:48

This has happened at our school too. As a result there is now always a headteacher or other staff member stationes by the internal gate amd he or she stays there until that gate is locked. after drop off the exterior electronic gate is locked and visitors need to be buzzed in.

What worries me here is that I have seen no mention of the HT committing to improve arrangements. If she really did give you the brush off by saying it was all terribly difficult.... then I would contact Chair of Govs.

quip · 06/06/2013 18:31

Reception children line up outside the classroom from day one
Kids with sn are helped to hang coats on pegs. I can't imagine the chaos in places which don't do this.

Hulababy · 06/06/2013 20:41

We have a parents in classrooms procedure for drop off in infants. For our school it is what works well for us, our children and our parents. It is not something we would want to change at present. It is a nice point of contact for parents, pupils and staff in the morning.

However, every class has two members of staff present in a morning - teacher and TA. Doors are watched, children are acknowledged and have a morning task to engage themselves in.

In reception we have a "welcome door" rota. A member of staff is present by the door to reception to nominally greet parents and children as they arrive, but security wise to check that children do not leave school unaccompanied.

Once the bell goes all parents must have gone and the doors are on automatically lock. In reception the button to press to open the door is completely out of a child's reach. The welcome door duty person remains there for a further 5-10 minutes to check all parents have left, and then notifies the reception classes once she/he leaves.

In KS1 the doors are locked to prevent outside access without being buzzed in or by using a fob. Children can/ however, get out if they wanted to. They are talked about not leaving of course. However, the school gates are on an automatic lock also and also on CCTV with the screens in the main office.

Nothing is fallible without a security guard in the gates all day - but that just isn't going to happen tbh. Children are talked to about security and staff are continually trained and reminded. OFSTED found all our procedures secure and safe, including morning drop off with parents in school. Infact they liked the relaxed welcoming approach. So it doesn't have to be stopped and it doesn't have to be a negative. It can work - but required staff in numbers, training and continued training and reminders - and that goes for staff and pupils.

Hulababy · 06/06/2013 20:42

Not chaotic btw. Not silent and hushed obviously, but happy, friendly and welcoming.

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