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Stop Schools Cheating Please

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twiggles · 20/01/2013 11:17

Whatever your child is like, some primary schools and nurseries are pretending children start off at the low end, so they can pretend to inspectors of private and state schools that the child has developed only because of their teaching. If your child's advanced , some schools in rich areas take it out on the child. They won't bother giving the child attention, because the child's advanced, so they let the child coast downwards. But they give reports in writing about the child that pretend the child has started off at a low point in development and then got much better because of the teaching at the school....when the fact is the child was able to read or write when the child started at the school and as the school is giving the child little attention, the child has coasted downwards. Tha's what many schools do so they can pretend they've developed everything in the child, they want all children to be the same standard, like a photocopier. Poor children. Some teachers admit they're cheating and don't take the reports seriously and write them to impress inspectors. This is happending all over the show and I can't understand why inspectors are allowing them to get away with it. If parents start grading teachers in the school every three months the teachers won't be able to hide what's going on to the inspectors and teachers who are pretending might stop. Teachers that aren't giving inspectors the facts need to be stopped...they're not giving children an honest education.

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sunshine401 · 20/01/2013 19:44

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preschool/1120783-Nurseries-lying-about-development-to-look-good-for-Ofsted

Just to point out this was already started before ^^ guessing the OP did not get enough arguments so decided to try AIBU instead Wink

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 20/01/2013 19:45

here

learnandsay · 20/01/2013 19:45

The argument that children who can read and write may struggle socially is what? Heh? (And anyone may struggle.) Children who are left handed may struggle. Then again they may not. It's a bit of a non argument really.

sunshine401 · 20/01/2013 19:47

Thank you Ship I can never do that Blush

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 20/01/2013 19:48

SmileWine

mrz · 20/01/2013 19:54

Actually shipwrecked I'm pretty certain I didn't call the OP any of those things which is why I think MNHQ may be reading my mind and I've taken to wearing an aluminium foil hat Wink

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 20/01/2013 19:56

Photo of that!!!

teacherwith2kids · 20/01/2013 20:06

[Heads for the kitchen drawer]

pointythings · 20/01/2013 20:14

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mrz · 20/01/2013 20:20

The OP posted on this subject in Jan 2011 and again in Jan 2012 and guess what ....Jan 2013

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 20/01/2013 20:38

I think it would be a more flattering hat at a jaunty angle...

However, if MN is getting all ESP...

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 20/01/2013 20:39

Yes, Mrz....it's a very very very odd thing to do!

Talk about holding a grudge.

FelicityWasCold · 20/01/2013 20:43

She does this once a year every year? Odd.

In the words of Duncan Ballantyne 'Im out'

Labro · 20/01/2013 20:46

And it was all nurseries in one borough then and is all schools nationwide now! Think op needs deleting from MN

snowybrrr · 21/01/2013 08:46

Grading teachers is actually quite an interesting idea.In every other sector service providers ask for customer feedback , why are teachers exempt?

maizieD · 21/01/2013 09:15

snowybrr.

If you'd read all of this very entertaining thread I think you would have found out that most schools do invite parental feedback. This is rather different from 'grading teachers'.

It's a bit early for a Wine for the teachers who've posted here but Thanks for the funnies! I was utterly ShockShock to see mrz deleted. Wish she could remember what she said!

cory · 21/01/2013 09:47

snowybrr, schools do invite their own parental feedback and Ofsted also ask for parental feedback which goes straight to them

twiggles · 21/01/2013 13:50

snowybrr, that is a good question.

I have hit a raw nerve. There are clearly lots of teachers on this thread and site , maybe trying to gage what parents think of them? They appear not to like free speech and are lashing out at the call for teachers to be graded on a regular basis in an attempt to stop cheating at schools. Rather than lash out, it may create a better impression of the teaching profession, if you were to try and put your thoughts together to try and counteract the case for grading teachers. It appears that some teachers here have been unable to do the latter, so have resorted to lashing out instead, which suggests the case for grading teachers is powerful.

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Feenie · 21/01/2013 13:56

They appear not to like free speech and are lashing out at the call for teachers to be graded on a regular basis in an attempt to stop cheating at schools.

No lashing out, twiggles - just lots of taking the piss out of those who seem unable to construct even a wisp of a coherent argument. Everyone debated quite seriously until it became apparent that you could not, or would not, engage with anyone.

maisiejoe123 · 21/01/2013 14:00

What on earth is twiggles talking about! Complete drivel!

twiggles · 21/01/2013 14:01

Feedback needs to be standardised, frequent and impartial. Schools do not handle feedback in an independent manner and generally make everything sound as innocuous as possible, so that they look good for inspectors. Schools are not presenting a complete picture to inspectors. Why not use the free resource of parents to provide the missing link? Not through parents' associations, as they are often too closely linked to the teachers, but to each and every parent. Twenty or thirty pairs of parents in a class is a lot of people. Many hundreds of parents, even a thousand at some schools, is a powerful gage.

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maisiejoe123 · 21/01/2013 14:04

I am wondering - if you have an issue with YOUR school and YOUR child just go and sort it out. Methinks you have asked for something - havent got it and are trying to stir up the Mumsnet crew.

learnandsay · 21/01/2013 14:05

The Paris mob in 1789 was a powerful gauge. But what is a merely populous group a powerful gauge of exactly?