Sounding out, whole word and phonics question

[Shattereddreams]

My dd is doing well with her reading. Y1.
At home we read more extensively than school books so I am aware there is an element of pushing her above her school ability so to speak. But her school books are not particularly challenging ORT Level 7.

When she approaches a long unknown word, she basically panics. Small words if unknown don't cause problems, just long ones.

If phonetic, I ask her to sound out. But she can't. I think she reads in a whole word way, and she tries to make a word that she does know without really looking at the word.
Eg
Tethered she wanted to read as teacher.

She has a lazy supply teacher this year so hasn't made much progress in school, plenty at home though.

Is this fear normal progression?

I wondered about the phonics test because if she can't sound out unknown words then this could be a problem.

t means understand why one is spelled the way that it is, or psalm, or knee or why we say say and saying but said, or why the word read is both an irregular verb and a past participle and the word jump is not.

The above is grammar not spelling or reading.

well, the 2nd part of your sentence- not sure what the first part is all about.

What don't you understand specifically?

In so far as the word read has multiple meanings it relates to both spelling and reading. My grammatical description explains some of the word's meanings.

"In so far as the word read has multiple meanings it relates to both spelling and reading. My grammatical description explains some of the word's meanings."

I don't understand any of the above.

Do you mean the actual word "read" itself, or do you mean any/all words which we ^read".

Are you simply pointing out that some words like "read" can have the short e sound in the past tnese ) I read the book last night, or "Please read your book now" , long e sound, in the present tense?

It doesn't have multiple meanings- it means the same but is conjugated differently for different tenses.

Yes it means different things in different tenses. This sentence has at least two meanings:

Is this read?

What does Is this read mean second time around?

Ooh I do love this thread...

I mean there is read already, but what else is there?

(1) read already
(2) does it mean or say read?

I may be picky but I would have thought "read" in second sense needed to be putin quotation marks, as it is being used in a collapsed sentence. The read is an imperative, so it needs a questionmark or somethng to indicate it is emphatic surely? Not a very common sentence to be flexing our muscles on.

In the second context it stands alone as a complete sentence. But it can also be written in a longer fashion in order to remove the ambiguity. However, doing that is not necessary.

Sorry but I think you are confused and confusing everyone else as well.

There is only one meaning ( definition) of the verb "to read".

It has differing pronunciations depending on the tense within the sentence.

I read ( present) ea with a long e sound
I am going to read
I read ( yesterday)- ea with a short e sound
I am reading

There is no change in meaning of the verb at all. But what comes before and afterwards in the sentence gives you the context clue to the tense and therefore if it has a long or short e sound.

I'm not talking about the verb to read. I'm talking about the word read.

Of course if you want to have a discussion about a totally different subject you will reach different conclusions!

Of course it "means" something different even if the definition of the word remains the same through the tenses. Which explains why words often morphed into things with different meanings despite same etymological origin, like "plane" (think woodwork,aeroplane and geometry as variants with same spelling.They mean different things though)

Is it read? Is that what you are trying to tell me to do? For me that would be the only way I could possibly work out what the pronounciation and correct meaning (ie: tense) of that sentence is. Compared to. Is it read? I told you to finish that chapter. Confident readers , proficient readers, scan the sentences, always anticipating the next sentence in order to read the present sentence correctly. It is like playing music, you don't play it note by note.

In effect I agree with you both

I'm not talking about the verb to read. I'm talking about the word read.
Eh?

Every word in English is either a verb, noun, adverb, adjective, pronoun, participle, etc etc.

You cannot discuss words and meaning without acknowledging what they are.

"Read" is a word. But it is derived from the verb " to read".

If you want to use it on its own as a command: "Ok class, on your marks, get set. READ!" Then it's still a verb but used in the imperative tense.

The ONLY other meaning which can be attributed is in a case such as "Okay, let's take that as read" - Meaning understood or accepted without too much discussion.

Of course it "means" something different even if the definition of the word remains the same through the tenses. Which explains why words often morphed into things

It doesn't mean anything differently. It still retains its meaning- what changes is the pronunciation according to the tense and context.

Read whether it's past, present, future, conditional, tense etc etc still means look at something written down and understand it.

I give up now, it's not that hard. really.

okay the identity of the word, of that runic symbol, that ancient blueprint,that doesn't change, but of course the meaning of the sentence changes. And surely that is what we are discussing. Finding meaning in an assorted collection of words so that a child can make sense of them in the correct fashion. And to do that is only possible with context added. Or punctuation. Or an ability to be flexible, not hidebound by rules.

As in "chill"

So you have already identified that even "read" has more than one "implication". Spock Do You Read Me? - meaning can you track me in hyperspace not find me on printed page, Is that ready is another tense variant of the verb to read, meaning it is understood, fixed,but we don't associate it with literacy do we?

No it doesn't. One means to look at and understand writing and the other means to have looked at and understood. Those meanings are not the same. If you can't understand that then there's no point in your having this discussion. Perhaps you should do a bit of work on understanding what the word meaning means.

Going back to original OP and her worries about "tethered" being misread as "teacher". Once you have an acquaintance with all the words ending with er and or, like feather, shoulder, doctor, motor, bulldozer, and presumably you would hear these words if someone spoke them and then draw conclusions seeing them on the page - you would the begin to distinguish "in context" the difference between the noun which ends in er/or, and some passive uses which end in ed. No-one has to make a RULE. But you have to start with I am tethered to a gate or why would any child know what tether mean in the first place?

The meanings ARE the same, it is the tense that is different. Is English not your first language? Serious question, I am not trying to be snippy.