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ORT Stage 8 Jackdaws

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SuperScribbler · 10/12/2012 16:39

DS is 6 and in Y1, he has recently been reading ORT stage 8 books (brown) and finding them straightforward - maybe needing help with one or two words in each book.

Tonight he has come home with an ORT Stage 8 Jackdaw - The Spoilt Holiday - and it seems much harder. More words per page and more complex sentence structures. He still read it well, but was slower and needed to use more effort.

So are all these stage 8 books in the same book band/level or not? And if not why are they put together in the same ORT stage?

Not important, just interested.

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survivingwinter · 10/12/2012 20:08

At our school all the ORT Stage 8 books are banded purple It does sound quite a confusing system if they are not all in the same band. We have a mixture of ORT/reading recovery and picture books at this level but they do vary quite a lot in terms of difficulty and number of words etc.

pointysettia · 10/12/2012 20:12

In the old ORT, Jackdaws were the hardest ones. You were supposed to start with the easier ones (Robins? Someone correct me?) and then work your way up to the Jackdaws. There would be overlap between the previous stage's Jackdaws and the next stage's Robins (or whatever they were).

So your perception that the books are harder is correct. As for colour banding, just colour me

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SuperScribbler · 11/12/2012 13:47

A bit of digging around online and I found a chart from the publishers that indicate that The Spoilt Holiday is actually Book Band 10 - now I'm really confused as it appears that the ORT Stages don't necessarily equate to the Book Band. Does anyone know why?

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caffeinated · 12/12/2012 17:41

Ds1 had these earlier this year and they were much harder and text heavy than all the other stage 8 books. He soon moved onto stage 9 and all the books are vastly easier than the jackdaw ones.

wewereherefirst · 12/12/2012 17:43

I found that some of the older books were harder than the newer ones as the bandings were changed, but the school didn't have the updated ORT bands.

Feenie · 12/12/2012 17:57

Because ORT books are so old that they pre-date book banding and follow their own system using their own key words for each stage, as you have found. Using the book banding system isn't as straight forward as 'all stage 8 are purple', since they are all over the place.

wigglywoowoo · 12/12/2012 20:16

My dd had one of these recently and I was very surprised at the increase in words too.

When I googled it I came up with this chart from ORT, that places the Jackdaws series within Bands 9(Gold) -11(Lime).

www.oup.com/oxed/pdf/ORT_bookbands.pdf

The Spolit Holiday is banded white according to this chart.

noramum · 13/12/2012 07:29

DD had two stage 8 books recently, not the Jackdaws though. She found them easy but with 30 pages quite long took read in one sitting as we have to do, books go back the next day.

She brought a stage 7 home yesterday, Submarine Adventures, and struggles a lot. Not so much with reading the words but the books is loaded with small rhyming words whe a hard hearing person constantly misunderstood what the children said. DD just don't get it,

I would have thought things like this come in higher bands.

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