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Banglesdebelle · 07/10/2012 19:27

Hi. Can't believe that I am so last minute but I am submitting an appeal to try and get a Reception place for my youngest. In brief, I have moved older sibling (September this year) but there is no room in the inn in Reception. I need to submit paperwork to support my appeal by Tuesday 9th and the hearing is on the 16th October so I can scramble around for more information between now and the 16th. I have written a letter setting out circumstances etc but wondered if there was anything I could do to challenge the class size limitations. Does it help that a couple of years above 2 children were admitted over the class size? Can I use any information about the size of the building to support my case? At the moment I just seem to have a begging letter. Any comments gratefully received.

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admission · 07/10/2012 20:56

Whether you can use the number in classes rather depends on the number in the class. If it is reception year and it is at 30, then the infant class size regs would be in force, which limits the class to 30 with one school teacher. It is practically impossible to win such an appeal when it is an in-year application as you have to show a mistake was made in the admission process that stopped your child getting a place. The size of the classroom in such a circumstance also has not bearing as it is all about the 30 class limit.

Banglesdebelle · 07/10/2012 21:17

Many thanks admission. I wondered if I could argue that the ratio is more 15 to one rather than 30 to one as there is a teaching assistant in the class. Mny thanks

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PatriciaHolm · 07/10/2012 22:21

That won't help, I'm afraid. The TA is irrelevant; there is 30 in the class with the Teacher, so it's a infant class size case. You can only win if:

  • they made a mistake which resulted in your son not being given a place (given you missed the regular reception admittance round, this is practically impossible, unless someone has left the class since and your son should have been given that place)
  • their admission rules don't comply with the national admissions code
  • the decision not to admit is so unreasonable no sensible person would have made it

Essentually, it's very hard to win an ICS case, so I would be prepared with a backup plan.

tiggytape · 08/10/2012 08:26

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kazra1 · 08/10/2012 09:55

No further good news here, the appeal process is virtually a cosmetic excercise to make us parents feel better.

We had an appeal and proved there were breaches of the code however because the breaches of the code meant some information did not reach the admissions panel on time the appeals panel could not consider this evidence because it was not available at the time.

So in summary due to an error by the LA our sons medical evidence was not available but because it was not available at the time of application it was not accepted at the appeal.

We have now won a second appeal but have decided not to pursue it because it is a pointless excercise as we need to get the medical evidence introduced.

In discussions with the LGO they also tend to agree that Primary admission appeals are 'cosmetic'. some parents do win of course but the weight of 'evidence' must be really one sided.

I do believe that the primary school admission appeals need to be changed, they are not fair, they give parents false hope and waste a lot of peoples time. If there are grounds for an appeal then the appeal should actually have some meaning.

I wish you all the luck in the appeal and hope fortune shines on you, for the record we provided so much evidence our appeal lasted 1hr 10 mins but it was still to no avail. I think the average is 15-20mins.

Good Luck

prh47bridge · 08/10/2012 10:18

It is only possible to change the rules on infant appeals if we abandon the infant class size restriction put in place by the last government. If we want to stick to a maximum of 30 children with one teacher the rules have to stay pretty much as they are. That means that appeals for Reception, Y1 and Y2 are very difficult to win. Appeals for Y3 and later are rather easier to win.

If an error by the LA means that you are deprived of a place that you should have been offered the appeal panel should put that right. However, if the error by the LA is irrelevant it will not result in a successful appeal.

tiggytape · 08/10/2012 13:48

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Banglesdebelle · 08/10/2012 13:58

I am now swinging off statues in a local church and have got everything crossed - think the writing is on the wall but am going to give it my best shot. Thanks for all your replies and time.

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