nursery education grant for 4-yr olds - while in Reception?

[LSWMum]

ok this might be a dumb question. my daughter is currently in a private nursery and benefits from the NEG grant. she'll start Reception in September and will be part-time 9-12 (most Richmond schools do that). until January when they go full-time, we're keeping her in the nursery from 12-6pm, and paying loads of money for that. now, I was wondering if she still gets the grant while in Reception, or perhaps the time spent at school 9-12 IS actually the grant?

thank you!

ps. she'll go to a state school, not private.

Think it is the school which has first call on the EY funds, so you'll have to pay as you presumably do already.

I don't know the technical answer.

Is she going to be in school plus nursery from 9-6 - 45hours a week ?

What will you do when her school day ends at 3ish from Jan ?

Perhaps she could finish the nursery bit at 3 and halve the amount you have to pay from Sep?

45hrs a week having to fit in with a group might be a bit much for a 4 year old.

sorry I wasn't clear, didn't have my coffee this morning :). she's currently in a private nursery full-time 8:30am-6pm. She benefits from the 15-hr EY allowance from the state so gets a bit of a discount on nursery fees.

from September on she'll go to a state primary in Reception and her current private nursery will provide the afterschool care which we'll be paying for.

in Richmond upon Thames, from September to December state schools do part time school 9-12 (Reception kids only), so afterschool fees will be very high for that period of time, 6-hr a day.

(from January on children go to school normal hours 9-15:20, and we'll only have to pay for 3 hrs a day afterschool.)

our daughter has just turned 4 this month so theoretically she's still eligible for the EY entitlement/NEG grant until she's 5. however, I'm not sure if we can use it in the private nursery to pay for afterschool care, since she's already getting 15 hours of free education per week attending Reception in a state school.

ps. she was in full-time nursery since she was one, as we both work full-time, can't do shorter hours.

I'm not that worried about her coping with it, with afterschool care provided by her old nursery which she loves.

Yes school will be the 15 hours, so you pay for the other 6 per day. A childminder might be a cheaper option longer term or you or your husband may have a voucher scheme at work which you could redeem against the Afterschool care costs.

Yes I asked this question for my DS who will still be 4 for the majority of his first year in reception. School is the funded part, so anything else has to be paid for unfortunately. Can't get funded twice.

thanks, i thought so.

LSWmum if you want your daughter to go full time at school from the outset, you are legally entitled to do so I believe - there are other threads on here about this.

I know my DS gets the full grant for two terms in full time reception in his private school so I'm certain it would just continue for your nursery hours in the afternoon.

But cat that is different because you arebt accessing any state education otherwise.

I agree with TheDoctrine. My understanding is that all children are entitled to start school full time in September if their parents want them to. I would query this with the Local Authority.

My DD got it for reception but in a private school - so knocked off the school fees.

My understanding is you can't have both a state reception place and eyfs funding.

I'd also jusk ask for DD to start full time in reception in September - it's all EYFS so she will be doing the same as at nursery. Then you will just need to pay for aftercare/childminder 3-6pm.

thanks all.

re starting full-time, I don't believe that's an option in our area but will ask.

the majority of state primaries in the borough are doing this 'part-time first term in the Reception year' - for ALL children enrolled. there might be some schools going FT from September, but I don't know of any local ones and definitely not the one we were accepted to (2nd choice).

www.richmond.gov.uk/home/education_and_learning/schools_and_colleges/school_admissions/primary_school_admissions/when_can_children_start.htm

LSW do NO children do full days from the start? That's odd.

Sorry your link doesn't wOrk and I can't copy on the phone.

All parents have the right to send their children full-time from the September of reception year and have had this right since 2010.

Some schools are not keen to make parents aware of this as they prefer to stick witht the previous half-0day system.

There is an old thread on here that will direct you to the legal article, also your LEA can be phoned, first point would be quite talk with the Head as they will know exactly what your requesting.
I would take this route - but then I value every penny and would not want to be charged for in0house childcare when my child could be in class learning from 12-3.
It is highly unlikely that all children will be absent in the afternoon, more likely that half the children are in during the morning and half in the afternoon so she wont be on her own.

Really would reconsider the effects on her though of having so much time in school and after-0school care, as they go through reception and year one, pariculalry in the winter they really do nedd to be at home to do homework, play with siblings, and hang-out with mum and dad.

From the September 2011 intake, all primary and infant schools had to offer full time admission to Reception from the beginning of the September term following a child?s fourth birthday.

Hi,

I'm in the same LEA and have already asked the council and two schools about the part-time hours until January. The council told me that some of the schools in the borough have recently opted to go full-time as of September 2012 but not our school (I should say schools because we're still hoping to get into our first choice at the beginning of September ;)).

I'm not sure how or if they can be pressured and whether that means extra resources or not, but isn't it too late to try and change things one week before school starts?

You absolutely can send them full time from beginning of reception - I checked also.

The school may offer part time or you may negotiate part time, but all children due to start reception are entitled to a full time place.

I would look at full time school then whatever after-school care you need on top.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/a1513392-Any-parents-in-Redbridge-challenge-staggered-Reception-entry-last-year#32842278

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1497161-Parents-rights-on-staggered-reception-start-dates?pg=3

Here are some other threads covering this