whats the average size junior class in uk state primary?

[mam29]

I heard our juniors are 36 this seems high as already feel 30 at infants is too much.#

Am I being clueless?

is this average standard size?

if go over extra numbers do they have to have 2nd ta?

any teachers who teach thing this is an easy appropriate number to teach?

I knew there was no size ruling but expected maybe go up odd 1/2 not extra 6.

The schools 1half intake so 45 a year and mixed classes.

reception
r1
year1
year2
year2/3
year3
year4/5
year 4
year5/6
year 6

where as would a double intake school

so say takes 60 has 2classes of 30 pretty much remain at 30?

I found the stats recently, off the top of my head numbers: my children were exactly avg, the avg junior class size is about 26-28 in juniors, and ?22-24ish in infants. That's all schools over... England? And it's been pretty much about those numbers for many decades. I will try to find link.

ps: class size numbers much higher in certain areas & popular schools, obviously.

PDF data, but it was a different spreadsheet I found before, will keep looking.

Oh that's it, I'm remembering clearly now, secondary state schools avg mostly around 22-24, maybe not infants. These data include a lot of very rural schools, so might skew the numbers. Daily Fail link.

UK primaries somewhat bigger than foreign avgs.

Class sizes peaked in 1950s & 1960s.

Thanks so much.

i guess some areas be worse than others,

mines suburban rc primary-middle of road ofstead and sats compared to other loacl schools.

its lots of peoples 2nd choice.

just wondering if maybe my thinking was wrong

liked it as small school.

the split classes does bug me at times.

but this could mean huge 36per class makes me worry.

dd struggled in class of 30 and juniors is harder again.

but I know theres no legal limit on juniors.

extra 6wooudl be 1 extra table I guess and thourght year 1 classroom was cramped.

junior classes in my childrens school range from 25 to 36 this year

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354424/School-teaches-pupils-classes-SEVENTY--says-pupils-learning-more.html

There are thirty six in each class in dd's school although they are currently building an extension so should mean that after next year numbers will be thirty I hope. Dd's class has 1 ft class TA and two SENTAs (one ft and one 20 hours) numeracy and literacy are streamed and means a maximum of 25 children phonics are further streamed in groups of 10.

DS's junior school ranges from 31 to 40 per class.

see I think its hard to believe that such a large class can be good.

maybe when they older and more self motivated.

or if schools selective and pupils have equal ability.

but in a state primary the ranges probably vary a lot

especially if have few who dont speak good english or special needs.

extra tas all well and good.

but they not as qualified as a teacher.

I done the maths the mums wrong as last ofsted june 303 on roll

1st 5classes keystage 1 so subject to 30min so remaining classes 5 153 pupils means 30.6pupils so 31 max.

but its food for thourght and shocked me how big some classes can be.

I mean logistically how can that school in daily mail fit 70kids in a class.

All the private schools have 16-20.

I really do feel my dd would benefit from smaller class size but 30does seem the norm.

There is a small primary with 121pupils on roll but its distance from me and think would struggle to get her in.

I will continue to give more support year 2 and hope the school improves.

I think you need to remember the infant class size limit is fairly new and prior to that it wasn't unusual to have much bigger classes without a TA. It's much easier with junior aged children because they have greater independence, they are less physically active within the classroom and in general are "settled" in school.

Personally I think 16-20 is too small with 23 -25 being my ideal class size.

I think both primaries my DD went to (due to relocation) had 30 per class.

DCs school has some large junior classes (DS in class of 35 which is fine for him but I could imagine some children getting a little "lost" possibly. DD in a surprisingly small class of 24 I think going into year 2 but seems to be fewer children in that year. There have been year 6 classes of up to 40 but they had quite a lot of teaching in small groups I think.

34 in DS1's class when he goes back, 31 in DS2's. DS1's year is 1FE, DS2's is 3FE, but DS2's class has a VERY high % of DC's with SEN, EASL & behavioural difficulties. One teacher, no TA in DS1's class, 1 in DS2's, but that TA is 1-2-1 with a statemented child. Sod the rest of the 12% of the DC's with SEN...

I'm always amazed at the comments on MN about classes having TAs-only reception class gets a full time TA at my childrens' school-the other classes get 9-10 hours per week TA time aside from SEN 1-2-1

We have 1 TA for 6 classes ...

There are dozens of TAs at dd's school, one for each class, many attached to statemented children and then others who run specific programmes. Most classes have 3 ft TA's of one description or other and then others that are in for specific lessons. Every child on SA or SA plus gets 20 minutes 1 to 1 daily.

This last year, for the first time ever (in over 25 years of teaching) I have had my own allocated TA for 5 mornings and 2 afternoons a week. But by Easter, she was told she had to exclusively concentrate on one child (for behavioural issues) and could not therefore support the class/me in any other way.

Our junior classes are 30 max (although I had a brief period this year with 31 after a Looked After Child arrived temporarily. I would say 30 is the absolute maximum I would find comfortable to teach. Fewer would be good though.

DD was at the local village school and one of 34 in years 3 and 4. We have moved her to a prep school (realise this is not possible or desirable to lots of people). She was in a class of 20 there last year and will be again this year. The new school is great for many reasons and class size is definitely one of them. At parents evenings now I feel like the teachers actually know DD and where she is up to.

Our school has 30, except in unusual circumstances and a TA for all junior classes in the mornings.
Fairly usual round here.