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Problem with Year 6 Level 6 writing test - help

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BizzyLizzy70 · 13/07/2012 19:41

DD devastated with not getting Level 6 in English. Her teacher took me aside and said that she personally had marked her internal assessments and she should have a 6. She got a high 5 (?) in the external reading paper. Somehow the Head decided she should get two 5's. Her teacher said we should ask for the Head for the raw scores. I've searched in vain on the net to make sense of this on the internet. Her teacher is very professional but knows much more than the Head about Year 6 assessment and must feel strongly that the Head has over-ridden her on this to have discussed it with me. I need to know what I'm talking about, as I believe there is a formula for the internal writing assessment. Any one out there to help????

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Quicksie · 13/07/2012 23:26

Hi There,
This year the SATs writing papers were assessed in a variety of ways! Some schools, like yours, did internal moderation. Some schools sent off their papers as per previous years for external marking. Some (like mine) internally assessed and then paid for an external marker to do a random sample.

In the internal moderation, a range of work should have been used to make the assessment. This would be a portfolio of work from Year 6, including the SAT task, but low performance on the SAT would not necessarily lower the final assessment, unless the teacher felt that their test performance was a true reflection of their independent writing...in other words, in theory, the class teacher is the final decider on the ability of the child, based on independent writing done throughout the year.

If the class teacher assessed her as a level 6, that is what she should be reported as. Unfortunately, I fear that some schools are under pressure to lower their assessments because it will look as if they are taking advantage of internal marking and 'up-levelling' their students.

You could ask to see the APP evidence from Year 6, of course, but it is worth remembering that the expectation for Year 6 is a level 4 and that most secondary schools reassess Year 7 during the first term anyway! Your daughter should be very proud that she has produced level 6 quality work this year, the rest is just a numbers game, most probably. She is obviously an excellent writer and that will shine through, no matter what. Her teacher has got faith in her, so have you, and her secondary teachers will spot her talents almost immediately.

Hope that helps...frustrating I know, but head teachers are walking a tightrope over this year's SATs and I know the reason for our expensive external moderator was to protect us from claims that we had cheated.

seeker · 13/07/2012 23:30

Why is she "devastated"? I would be addressing this as a matter of urgency rather than quibbling about the assessment!

NoComet · 14/07/2012 01:34

DD didn't get her English or maths either.

I think they were made a lot harder than the schools were lead to believe.

She's surprisingly in bothered. More amazed at getting 5 for science, which she claims to be bad at.

She isn't, she just has to live with 3 boring scientists.

NoComet · 14/07/2012 01:34

Unbothered

Northernlurker · 14/07/2012 02:00

These are 11 yr old children. Really, we don't want them being devastated over not achieving a result that would greatly exceed expectations for tehir age. YOur daughter did very well. Please just assure her of that and move on.

BizzyLizzy70 · 14/07/2012 17:14

Thank you Quicksie - you seem to be saying what the teacher was implying to us - it still seems incredulous a school would want to downgrade it's pupils.
The reason she is very upset (now downgraded from yesterdays devastated) is because she is known as 'the writer' in her class. In her own words 'she has never been picked for sports teams etc. and it was the area that gave me a sense of accomplishment'. Out of her Level 6 group - who had no sports for a term to do revision classes and then homework every night - she was the only one not to get a level 6 in Maths (ironically got the best score on the level 4-5 paper). The Level 6 week she was ill with flu and I was calpol-nurofening her but sent her in to do the tests because she wanted to do them as she had worked so hard. I am annoyed that the kids in her class were so incredulous she got 5 one said she was lying to get sympathy!? She held it together until she saw me in the playground.
I know the writing has been internally moderated as a 6, so she should have a 6 and not downgrade to a 5 because the Head thinks it might look as though they are internally 'upping' the results! DD obviously doesn't know any of this. I know it wont affect scores that have already gone off to the government but it might make her feel a little less of 'a failure' (her word) if I can get an explanation. Hopefully when she leaves on Thursday 'very upset' will change to 'oh well'! My conversation with the Head however is going to be carefully worded but along the lines of the school makes the children work so hard for months then bizarrely sells them short at the end!

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gazzalw · 14/07/2012 17:24

I think these level 6 exams possibly raise the children's expectations too much. DS was ill when he did his maths and unsurprisingly didn't get his level 6 (only three out of the ten who did it, did pass). He was quite sanguine about it but you could tell he was rather disappointed. I felt bad that we had sent him into school for the exam to be quite honest. But I guess the bottom line is that it doesn't do them any harm at all to experience an academic disappointment. I always feel that children who sail through life never failing anything and always doing brilliantly are setting themselves up for a fall as adults - if you've never experienced 'failure' it can really impact when it does happen as an adult.

HandMadeTail · 14/07/2012 17:31

Why is a level 6 so important at this age? Will it make a difference to her set at senior school?

DD1 has been deemed "gifted" in English at her super selective grammar, but reached only a level 6 at the end of Y8. (I'm not sure what sublevel, it's not stated.)

Someone I work with was furious that her school did not have the budget for the level 6 exams. Oh, yes, they squandered that money on school trips, library books, and the like. Hmm

gazzalw · 14/07/2012 17:32

I think it just raises the bar unfairly as not all schools do it.

seeker · 14/07/2012 17:46

But why does it matter?

seeker · 14/07/2012 17:49

Are you sure about the g and t child in a super selective getting a level 6 in year 8, by he way? That doesn't sound right!

Feenie · 14/07/2012 17:54

Why would you need a budget for level 6 tests?! Confused

mrz · 14/07/2012 17:59

Level 6 is the expected age for 14 year olds
and the budget thing doesn't sound right at all.

seeker · 14/07/2012 18:08

"Level 6 is the expected age for 14 year olds"

Not for a G and T 14 year old at a super selective it isn't!

mrz · 14/07/2012 18:11

well actually seeker the government's website now says

"By the age of 14, most children are expected to achieve level 5."

www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/schoolslearninganddevelopment/examstestsandthecurriculum/dg_10013041

so a child achieving a full level higher a year early is doing well.

corblimeymadam · 14/07/2012 18:14

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seeker · 14/07/2012 18:16

I know what the expectations are- but for better or worse, the expectations at selective schools are very different. And at super selectives even more so. And g and t at a super selective even more so again!

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BonnieBumble · 14/07/2012 18:21

It really doesn't matter. They will be assessed when they join secondary and even if they weren't it is extremely likely that a level 5 would mean that she was in the top set.

My sil received the reports of her dt's last week, she told them that she was pleased with their efforts and achievements but didn't tell them what level they got, if they ask she will tell them but they are not really interested because it isn't important. I'm very very uncomfortable with so much pressure being placed on an 11 year old.

MigratingCoconuts · 14/07/2012 18:22

seeker is spot on. level 6 in year 8 is not a G+T level.

motherinferior · 14/07/2012 18:23

Sounds as if the school got the whole SATS thing totally out of proportion, frankly, if the poor kids got no PE (I bet no fun stuff like music) and revision every night. They're 11. Secondary school will be a dreary round of constant toil.

(And yes I have an 11 year old who is 'good at writing' and no she didn't get a 6 and she is remarkably unbothered by this. And I have a clutch of English qualifications including degree from posh university and write for a living and I'm not bothered by DD1's SATS either.)

seeker · 14/07/2012 18:27

Hang on- no PE and homework every night to practice for doing a completely irrelevant and useless level 6 SATS paper? And you let this happen precisely why?

motherinferior · 14/07/2012 18:29

DD1 cavorted around in the school play, hung out with her lovely mates, and managed a perfectly credible bunch of SATs not-maths and frankly that's fine by me. And her.

NoComet · 14/07/2012 18:29

DD did maths revision classes, but not extra English.

I'm very cross that the HT felt under such pressure to get good grades that he felt he had to put these on and enter pupils for the L6 papers. Unfortunately, having been down graded by ofsted and with a falling roll he had no choice.

Had DD passed the maths it would have been a total fraud because it certainly isn't the level she was working at in normal lesson time.

I don't know if the others passed. (One is a Maths teachers DD and another has done lots of extra 11+ work, so again definitely not relying totally on mainstream class work).

It is totally unfair that 11 year olds are being expected to jump through hoops for political reasons and that HT are clutching at any DC who might make their schools results shine. A teacher assessment of L6 for truly exceptional students should be sufficient.

SoupDragon · 14/07/2012 18:30

"Out of her Level 6 group - who had no sports for a term to do revision classes and then homework every night..."

That is utterly horrendous. No way would I have supported that happening for my child. Thankfully, that's not how DSs school do things.

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