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Years 6 SATS 2012 - Can I see DDs actual papers?

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 12:15

It's coming to the end of DD's time at primary and obviously took the recent Y6 SATS. I understand we

What i'm wondering is: Are we allowed to see a coy of her SATS papers? I would love to see if she has progressed in the areas of concern and will have more of a definite idea of the areas she needs more help. I realise it's a busy time for schools, with reports etc.

Please don't tell me to ask the school - they are very unhelpful.

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AdventuresWithVoles · 27/06/2012 13:11

BUT, you have to just ask for them, no, to see them at all? Why not just ask?

y5 DS brought home the assessment papers (so equivalent of y5 SATs) so we could go over what he had made mistakes on. It was very eye-opening for me because I hadn't realised how rigid the marking criteria were, and it was good for him because there were some consistent types of mistakes he made that he could concentrate on avoiding in future.

crazymum53 · 27/06/2012 13:13

Marked KS2 SATs papers are automatically returned to the school. for details see the attached link KS" Sats information section 9. It states that "Schools can return the marked test scripts to children but are not required to do so." So it looks as if it is not possible to see your child's paper without the school knowing about it!

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 13:15

Sorry Adventure, I am not very good at explaining what I mean. I don't just want the level and quick feedback saying they are pleased with result as DD has really tried (I know she's tried very hard) - I basically want to see proof of how DD has done.

I have no problem with asking for them.

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 13:16

Thanks crazymum, I don't mind about the school seeing them or knowing i'm wanting them.

I just would like a copy of them.

Thank you for the link too.

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titchy · 27/06/2012 14:05

When are they due back out of interest?

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 14:09

I think it's about 10/12th July

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bizzey · 27/06/2012 14:33

Hi is 10/12 th July for the papers to be returned or the results ??? Our parents evenings are 9th and 16th July ...where we are given their reports with I presume their SATS results ??? unless all we get are teacher assesment ????

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 15:22

Oh I'm not too sure you know. Maybe that's when school get them. Maybe someone in the know would help us? We've not had a parents evening since October and won't be getting one as they were too busy with sats.

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bizzey · 27/06/2012 16:21

WOW no parents evening since OCT [shocked] ! How were you suppose to know what levels they were working on or likely to achieve ?

We had OCTor Nov ? and March when knew our seconary school. DS had to fill out a questionaire about things he found hard/easy/boring and stuff and I had to say what level I would like him to achieve and stuff and level 6 maths was talked about.

I can see why you would like to see your dd's papers if you have not had alot of "updating"on her progress !

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 22:20

I think the idea was so we didn't question them. I've asked so many times for them to show me how she's progressed but they can't. They just want to throw various levels at me and hope I don't question them and contradict what they say. Which I do a lot so they don't like me anyway

I think they'll leave mine till very last day to save themselves anymore embarrassment!

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AbigailS · 27/06/2012 22:30

Careful how you word it; it's coming across as I don't trust or believe the levels you've given my child, so I want the test papers to take home and pick over to complain.

clam · 27/06/2012 22:51

What do you think you would do if you saw what you thought was an error in the marking?

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 23:27

The levels aren't far off tbf. However the school know I don't trust them. There's a long back story and I've got 5 different levels, that they've given us, since last October.

I'm not really looking for what's been marked wrong, as I wouldn't have a clue. I'd like to see where she's trailing and if it's the area I'm thinking but school keep telling me she's perfectly ok in. For example: I've said dd cannot read between lines and school told me that's just not true. However, I've found numerous practice papers in her room, which have been marked by staff and she's not got 1 infer and deduce question right.

This may sound little to some but there is a much bigger picture.

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littlelegsmum · 27/06/2012 23:29

I do appreciate the 'be careful' comments though and I will be. Sometimes I don't realise how I word things and seem harsh and can't explain very well, so just say it as it is - without realising sometimes.

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AdventuresWithVoles · 28/06/2012 00:18

I am no education expert but suspect the inference-deduction skills come with maturity. Anyway, if like me, you can spot consistent types of errors, that's no bad thing.

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littlelegsmum · 28/06/2012 08:01

To be honest it's more me saying I know she can't do it and them insisting she can and blatantly lying, while hoping I wouldn't question them. I do wish I knew what I was looking for as I wouldn't think twice to go over more things.

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crazymum53 · 28/06/2012 09:01

My dd was in Y6 last year and we had Parents meetings to discuss SATs levels and secondary schools in October and March and then a quick meeting to discuss results in early July.
Usually in public exams the mark-sheets are posted separately from any marked papers so that there is a back-up if one item is lost. The 10th July date is probably the latest date that papers are expected to arrive at the primary school. However most schools like to check the papers with the results to make sure there are no obvious errors e.g. adding up the number of marks incorrectly before informing parents of the results. Parents should receive a teacher assessment (this gets passed onto the secondary school first) an also the test result. If there are any errors in the marking the school will probably tell the parents the "provisional" results but explain that there are queries. If this occurs then the marked papers may be sent back for re-marking and are therefore unlikely to be available for parents to see. This is however quite rare.
At secondary school, they do take KS2 SATs results into account and use these for target setting etc. BUT they often carry out additional tests and checks as well to identify children's potential. Some aspects of the KS2 tests aren't carried over to KS3 e.g. Mental Maths so it may not be worth checking too vigorously.

AdventuresWithVoles · 28/06/2012 10:00

LittleLegs: can you afford a private Ed Psych assessment? Might be only way to settle your niggles.

crazymum53 · 28/06/2012 14:46

I wouldn't worry too much. Most secondary schools realise that the SATs scores and levels are not always accurate and they may be aware that some schools are more generous than others in their teacher assessments (and which schools this applies to locally). That is why they usually carry out additional tests at the start of Y7 such as CATs and NFER to help them identify the true levels and which children need extra support etc.

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littlelegsmum · 28/06/2012 21:11

Thank you for those extra messages since I was last on. We had the induction meeting at High School and they do look at SAT levels but don't place the children into groups based on them. They do the CAT tests 2 weeks into the new term to organise groups, but based on the reports/info i've already passed onto them, theny've got a good idea where they'll place her.

They are a great school, support wise and seem to have taken alot of time to find out the smaller details about the Y7 intake - up to now (fingers crossed) i'm happy with how things are moving along.

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