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Homework research

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Spothoop · 19/06/2012 09:46

Hi there
I am hoping the mumsnet community will be able to help me. I am a primary school teacher and at the moment as well as all my class stuff I am in the middle of a research project regarding primary school homework. What I am asking for are any views you may have, for or against.
I have looked at the survey done in 2008, which is very interesting and looked at the posts in the ?homework corner?, but am hoping for a wider response
If you are a parent and a teacher could you please also give a very brief outline of your schools homework policy?
Thank you very much in advance.

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ripsishere · 19/06/2012 09:50

My opinion is this. It is a waste of time for primary children. My DD has been to five different schools in four countries.
In her Y2-4 school, she had 20 minutes worth every evening. Y5 was about an hours worth on Mondays to be given in on Thursday. Her current one is around an hours sorth given on Fridays to be in on Monday.
None of what she brings home is either challenging or engaging. I am, as you can probably see, totally against it.
Not keen on it in secondary either.

PastSellByDate · 19/06/2012 10:47

Hi Spothoop:

I'm actually all for homeworks but agree with ripsishere that it is important that homework isn't about ticking that box and is challenging/ engaging.

Our school developed a homework policy only into the run-up of this year's OFSTED inspection. 30 minutes a week for YR, Y1 - Y2, 1 hour Y3/ Y4 - about 1.5 hrs and Y5/ Y6 about 2 hrs a week - which isn't quite what was recommended by government (30 minutes a day for Y5/ Y6 = 2.5 hrs a week).

In general it works out to
1 maths sheet (ostensibly reviewing maths work from that week)
1 spelling list (to practice for test once a week)
guided reading book (s)
reading diary (for parents to fill in KS1/ from KS2 for children to fill in).

The older version of this (so for DD1 Years 1 - 3) was monotonous and frankly boring for child & parents, but gradually the school have been putting in place more interesting concepts.

For example - spelling for Y4 is now about the children finding definitions for words (so learning to use a dictionary - but also learning the history of words) or coming up with as many words as they can with certain letter strings (e.g. -ough, -ight, etc...). Some of it is about how different the same letter string can sound (a very excellent homework with -ough words). There was a lovely one about finding Viking words, which DD1 thoroughly enjoyed. The class would come up with all sorts of words so the spelling test wasn't something you just crammed for - it was always a surprise, but it has gradually hugely helped DD1 to grasp root words, suffixes & prefixes and is making her spelling less phonetic and more securely accurate.

Maths was endlessly colouring in cars/ caterpillars throughout KS1 for DD1, but has now moved on to reinforcing work the children have been doing in class and varies from measuring things around the house after estimating their size in mm or metres - to using +/ -/ x & division to solve two and three-step word problems. The school has also joined My Maths and gives on-line homeworks 1 - 2 times a month.

My feeling is that practice in maths is really insufficient - and we've joined an on-line tutorial and downloaded free games to improve multiplication/ inverse multiplication facts (simple division) skills. This extra work outside what the school provides does seem to be paying real dividends now for both DDs (Y4 & Y2). [the school only sent home 1 homework for multiplication in Y3 - x4 practice, which was presented in order - so 4 x 1 = , 4 x 2 = , etc... and at the time their version of multiplication practice was to give the children the same test each week, which they eventually would pass through memorising answers. To be fair to the school they've abandoned this approach to learning times tables now and DD2 has had multiplication practice sheets with mixed problems (so mixture reviewing x2 and x4 facts for example for Y2)]

Practice with writing remains very weak at the school - the result is that both DDs are exhausted if asked to write for more than 10 minutes at a time. We get around this by making them send postcards, thank you cards, etc... which pretty much means that once a month we have a little writing task for them to do at home. It is surprising that I've had to teach my DD1 (Y4) how to lay out a formal letter - something that I thought should be taught in primary (but perhaps it is usually taught at some point later than Y4?).

Finally the selection of school books rarely includes much that would be classed as 'classic children's literature' - so we read things like Mary Norton's The Borrowers in addition to what the school provides through the library or selects for guided reading (although these books do not come home after Y3). Just to add some variety to Horrible Histories, Horrible Henry, Ben 10 etc... stories.

My personal feeling is that building in time (about 20 - 30 minutes) each evening for reading, the odd spelling practice or maths worksheet is fairly easy to incorporate into our lives and that regular commitment to it has made huge improvements from the near total absence of homework DD1 experienced in KS1.

Frankly with the advent of virtual learning environments like Moodle/ WebCT there really is no reason not to have the kind of standard building block work available for parents to utilise with their children in an incremental way (e.g. learning to add 1, then +2, then +3, etc... or writing practice sheets could be handled through a series of worksheets or on-line homeworks with little or no 'marking' time required for the teachers and which could be rolled out year after year as and when a student is ready for practice with that concept). We more or less do this with our on-line subscription to a maths website which means DDs can be doing a short 20 minute lesson and practice in maths whilst I'm putting away dishes, cooking, whatever...

I think many parents are keen for their children to 'get off to a good start' and I suspect most would welcome well thought out, enhancing homework which consolidates learning, helps those struggling to get over whatever the hurdle is and also keeps parents in touch with what is being taught in school (by providing homework which directly reflects current coursework).

roadkillbunny · 19/06/2012 10:57

Our school sends home on a Friday one piece of homework that relates to the work they have been doing in school that week. The homework needs to be handed in by Tuesday morning (to allow for people having busy weekends). The homework varies between literacy, numeracy and science, often incorporating all three. It is differentiated and never more then 20 minutes work at most.
I feel that the homework that we get is more about showing parents what the class have been up to that week, I know I never get much information out of my dd about what she has been doing at school, she just says she can't remember for everything from what she had for lunch to what subjects they did that day! Her homework helps give me an idea of what she has been doing at also gives me an opportunity to see how well she is coping with he class work.
I get the distinct feeling that when it comes to homework for the younger children the school gives it out due to demand from some groups of parents but as I said they keep it short and sweet and there are also no consequence other then not getting a sticker maybe for non completion of homework. I asked this week if dd could have an extra day to do her homework as we had been away for the weekend and the teacher just said it wasn't a problem and to take as much time as we wanted, when I broke my leg very badly back in January dd was excused from homework for as long as we needed to get our selves on an even keel with the altered family situation. I imagine that as the children get older the homework expectation grows, dd goes into Y3 in September and I am anticipating a step up in homework but knowing the school it will probably be a very gradual progression.

When I was at primary school (1980's) my school did not give out homework at all, I went to school in a very deprived area and for a large number of children their family back ground gave little support for education so I am lead to believe (from my Mother) that the school did not give out homework in order to minimise any issues with some children being in the situation of never being able to hand in any homework or not having any support at home in order to be able to produce the work. The thing is, by what is now Y6, pretty much everyone in my class really wanted homework, we used to beg the teacher to give us some and talked excitedly about the move to secondary school and the homework we would get!
It goes to show that no school however good can do right for doing wrong when it comes to homework. I feel that our school has got the balance right on the whole although since dd started they have now started giving out weekly homework for reception children, ds is starting in September and I have the new starters parent evening this week so I should find out more about this change and what the homework entails. I am a little dismayed with this change, I felt it worked well when dd was in reception as other then reading any homework would be the odd 'talk about spring with your child to prepare for us starting the new topic next week', for 4 and 5 year olds this seemed just right.

Sorry for the long post, bit of a stream of conciousness!

crazygracieuk · 19/06/2012 11:45

Our primary sets homework on Friday for all years and it's due on Wednesday for all years.
Y1 get a maths worksheet every Friday which takes 5-10 minutes for ds who is academically average. Spellings for next week are given out on Friday. Books are changed by children once they are read.

Y4/6 get 20-30 minutes a week. It can be literacy, numeracy or topic work. Spellings are not given to y5/6 but y4 get 10 a week. Books changed as soon as finished.

hermionestranger · 19/06/2012 11:49

My son is in y1. They sent home a termly homework list which we did. It was never even taken out of his bag. I refused to do the next one. What's the point? He was also very disappointed not to have his work maked or acknowledged. School have agreed that it matters not a jot of we chose not to do it.

I will do his reading book and spellings, but that's all. We do a lot of days put type stuff (museums, nt, etc so he is learning through that as well.)

crazygracieuk · 19/06/2012 11:52

Personally I find homework valuable as I find out what my children have learned that week (they aren't the type to tell me) and whether or not they understand it. For example my y1 ds knows his 2x table out of sequence which I would have never known if he hadn't had maths homework about it. I think it's hard for parents to know how their child is really doing. For example y1 ds knows o'clock and half pasts should he know quarter to and quarter past?

redskyatnight · 19/06/2012 12:56

My preference would be for homework for primary school children to be:

  • kept to a minimum
  • to focus on "basic" skills e.g. reading, number bonds, times tables
  • to reinforce work done in class
  • able to be done with a minimum of adult help
  • clear how much time is intended to be spent (e.g. Y1 DD recently had homework to find out and present some facts about a given topic - we had no idea how much effort was required)
  • appropriately differentiated (DS has spellings which are far too easy, because the alternative is spellings that are far too hard, either is a waste of time IMO)
MarianForrester · 19/06/2012 12:56

I am not in favour of homework. Children are at school for a large part of the day and should work hard then, and relax at home.

Dd's school mainly just sends reading homework; sometimes maths sheets snd spelling.

bowerbird · 19/06/2012 14:34

I agree with Redsky. Kept to a minimum. Focused on basic skills like times table, spelling, vocabulary. Critically, should be able to be done on their own with very little adult help.

Personally, I LOATHE the creative "project" kind of homework, which takes up waaaay too much time and where the kids don't learn very much and parents do most of the work. I think that kind of thing perhaps makes more sense in secondary.

redwhiteandblueeyedsusan · 19/06/2012 14:44

we have learning loggs every now and again when the teacher feels like it is something that the children might enjoy. they do not come everyweek and the teacher is flexible about handing them in. the work is on a theme but not set task so there is scope for differentiation.... and i take advantage of that

we have spellings as well which are a bit of a tyranny, despite her knowing most ofthem already. the week we don't practise til the night before the test is always the week she does not know them straight away.

SE13Mummy · 19/06/2012 19:22

The policy at the school where I teach is along the lines of 'it depends on who your teacher is but is likely to involve a Literacy and/or numeracy activity each week.... oh, and please read with your child'.

My year group receive a numeracy sheet each week, as much as anything so the parents can see what we've been doing and the methods we've been using. In my class I say completion is optional, my partner teacher takes a harder line. We also send home a learning log objective at the start of each half-term e.g. 'I can find out about Tudor clothing'. These are due in on the first day of school after the half-term holiday (children will have had 6-8 weeks to do something for it).

The learning log homeworks are popular with parents because it can be something their children can spend 10 minutes on and produce something copied out from a book/printed off a website or can spend weeks on crafting and creating. This time round I was presented with everything from some shark 'top trumps' stuck to a big picture of a shark to a website about jaguars, from a cuddly lion with some sticky labels containing facts to a vase of tadpoles, a standalone backdrop for it and a fimo animation of a tadpole's lifecycle!

My own DC attend this school too and homework is usually a single activity along the lines of 'find out about shapes in famous buildings'. Possibly due to having seen some of the creations produced by my KS2 class, DD1 has lots of complicated ideas about what she'd like to produce. If it's something she considers to be fun she'll spend hours on it but if it's along the lines of 'write a poem about something' or 'draw 5 things you've found outside' she'll spend 5 reluctant minutes on it - it would be better if she didn't bother at all really given the fuss and eventual lack of quality. I always say to her, "I'm happy to write to Mrs X and say you didn't do this week's homework" but she never takes me up on it.

I think homework should be able to be completed pretty much independently but that it shouldn't be limited to entirely independent tasks. The learning logs of my class have often involved other members of the family and it's great that the children are sufficiently interested that they want to share their learning. Equally, it's nice for children who like working independently to be able to do just that, not feeling that their felt-tip poster will be frowned upon because another child has written a novel and had it published over the half-term. I'm a fan of optional homework and always say to the parents of children in my class that, apart from reading together, homework is optional unless a child has been messing around in class and hasn't got something crucial finished in which case it would be sent home and would become compulsory.

Treguennec · 20/06/2012 16:04

Dont think primary school children should have it at all - but our school has given it since reception. I'm a governor and so feel I have to do it with dd - but i'd far sooner she was doing some piano practice or playing out - or just about anything else.

Usedtobefun · 20/06/2012 16:19

My DD3 is in y2 and only has limited spellings and reading on a weekly basis. However ever half term and school holiday we get given a learning log about a particular topic ie London and told to find out a variety of information and present it in a creative way. I have a real problem with this as I would argue that at 6 my DD is unable to do 95% of this task unaided so therefore I end up spending 2 hrs during the school holiday doing this with her.

I have no objection to homework but as other posters have said I would like it to be about reinforcing things they have learnt in school and also should be something that they can do mostly unaided, I am happy to help but I don't expect to do it all for her. I would like her to be given a simple Maths and literacy worksheet on a weekly basis with the addition of spelling and reading. Ideally the worksheet should take approx 15mins.

Also our school have this real thing about kids needing to understand the rules behind spellings so they don't just memorise them which I find really silly. For ex this week they were given the suffixes ment and ness so one of the words she had to learn was loveliness. Wtf does a 6 yr old need to know loveliness I would rather at this stage they didn't bother trying to teach rules but instead just let her learn a long list of frequently used words such a lovely, happy etc.

Spothoop · 20/06/2012 21:19

Thanks so far for all the replies and opinions, some really useful information coming through.

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