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who is covering classes during the phonics test?

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ohnevermind · 15/06/2012 00:08

We had a meeting at school today and the teacher said the school have set aside 4 days for her to administer the Year 1 phonics test. During that time the class will be covered by a TA. The teacher also said they already know who will get through the test and who probably won't.

Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for the children to miss 4 days of being taught by a teacher so they can find out something they already know? The TA in the class is supposed to be there to support a child with a statement not teach the whole class single handed.

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Orchidskeepdying · 15/06/2012 00:15

I have a student teacher in my class room. i have set aside 2 mornings for the check.

IndigoBell · 15/06/2012 03:09

Yes, they probably mean 1 or 2 hours a day for 4 days, so the TA just has to cover the class for a short time.

During which time they'll be doing work which the teacher has set and which the teacher will mark............

Whether or not the check is a waste of time depends on how many kids pass it. If they all pass, then the check wasn't necessary. If lots don't pass it then you should be asking why.

It's all very well saying 'its ok we knew 30% of the class wouldn't pass' - but someone needs to ask why so many kids didn't pass. Is there a problem with the way they teach reading?

(heres a clue. If a lot if kids fail, then there is a problem with the way they reach reading)

And it's all very well your school doing brilliantly, but lots of schools aren't doing brilliantly which is why the test is necessary.

kickassangel · 15/06/2012 03:13

Or it could be that 40% come from homes where there's an environment that makes learning close to impossible for the kids, so 30% failing would actually be v good

IndigoBell · 15/06/2012 03:28

Learning to read should happen in the classroom..... Regardless of what happens at home.

Very few kids have such bad problems at home that they're not able to learn in the classroom. (although a few do).

If your school does badly they will
a) not tell you and
b) have a hundred excuses (none of which will be bad teaching) why the kids did badly.

There are very few reasons why school should not be expected to teach a child to read in Y1.

FallenCaryatid · 15/06/2012 06:36

We'll have supply in, just like when they do the individual reading tests for Y2.

EdithWeston · 15/06/2012 06:45

I'd be more worried, OP, about what on earth is going on in the classroom that means they have no idea how the pupils will do.

These tests are essentially what good teachers do anyhow (to check, not to discover) and there really should be no surprises in the results. Well, no surprises to the school anyhow.

redwhiteandblueeyedsusan · 15/06/2012 07:39

the tests are starting next week at school. not sure who is going to be covering the class.

mrz · 15/06/2012 08:07

We are taking ONE day to do the phonics screening (4-9 mins per child apparently) and my class will be covered by a final year teaching student while I do the check.

maizieD · 15/06/2012 12:55

Or it could be that 40% come from homes where there's an environment that makes learning close to impossible for the kids, so 30% failing would actually be v good

Absolute myth, I'm afraid. Children learn letter/sound correspondences and how to decode and blend at school, not at home. Granted, extra practice at home will help to consolidate their learning but poor home environment is not, in itself, a barrier to learning this simple skill.

Rather long, I'm afraid, but here is an extract from an article about a school which started using one of the well known SP prorammes:

Research in Reception 2010-2011
A Catholic Primary School designated for travellers of Irish origin, used the systematic, synthetic phonics programme Sound Discovery® to teach literacy to their whole Reception class, from September 2010.

The school has quite a high level of social and special educational need. There were 30 pupils in the Reception cohort, 18 boys and 12 girls. There were the usual vulnerable groups often believed to experience barriers to learning: boys, free school meals (FSM), summer birthdays, English as an additional language (EAL) and travellers. The school identified a slow-to-learn group who received catch-up teaching delivered as an intervention in a small group with their class teacher or class Teaching Assistant using Sound Discovery®. This was little and often teaching, to reinforce learning.

In September 2010, the Reception teacher assessed all the children on school entry. None of them knew any sounds and none could do any reading or spelling.

By Christmas 2010, the Reception teacher was reporting, ?a huge increase in the number of children being able to read and write?. The children learned quickly. In September 2010, 0% were working at alphabet CVC level or above. By October 2010, 63% were reading at alphabet CVC level or above, by December 2010 73% were reading at CVC level or above and by February 2011 97% were both reading and spelling at CVC level or above with 50% reading at CVCC level and above. Between 30% and 10% were reading at alphabet CVCC, CCVCC, consonant digraph and ?long? vowel digraph levels.

The composition of the catch-up group was interesting. There were three boys and 2 girls. Two of the boys had summer birthdays. One was also a traveller on free school meals and the other had significant behaviour difficulties with non-compliance. Both girls and the third boy were not in any other vulnerable group and were probably low ability.

Results in 2011
In July 2011 all 30 Reception children were assessed on the British Ability Scales II Word Reading and Spelling achievement scales. The results for the whole class and for individual groups are presented below in Table 1. (omitted here)

The whole class, the summer birthday children, the boys and the traveller achieved above average reading and spelling. The girls and the FSM children achieved above average reading and average spelling. The EAL and catch-up groups achieved average reading and spelling.

There is really no excuse for a large percentage of children in any one school (i.e. 10%+) not reaching the standard required in the Phonics Check

BeckyBendyLegs · 15/06/2012 14:22

DS2, in Year 1, is doing this 'phonics test' on Monday. I thought it was just his school. What is it? We haven't been told anything except that it is happening on Monday (noted in this week's school newsletter).

IndigoBell · 15/06/2012 14:30

He'll just have to read 40 words to check he knows all the phonics he should know by now.....

It's no big deal for him at all.

mooliebear · 15/06/2012 14:39

My DDs school had a meeting this week to explain to the parents all about the phonics test and how and who is doing it etc.
The deputy head is doing the whole year, so the class teachers can stay in the class, they are confident that it will be consistant throughout the whole year then, if just one person doing it.
I don't feel worried, i think it is great to see where they are or not and see what needs tweaking etc.

BeckyBendyLegs · 15/06/2012 14:56

He seems quite excited about it. I didn't know what he was talking about before I read the newsletter. He kept talking about his 'reading test'. I thought he just wanted to feel important as his big brother has been doing end-of-year assessments all week and has been worrying about them.

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