Are ALL children expected to make 2 full levels of progress in KS2, regardless of ability.

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Say if child A started year 3 at a 3b for writing, and child B at 2c; would the same sub-levels of progress in year 3 be expected of both or would child A be expected to make more??

Ok, just read the thread title back, I do know that 2 levels are expected, what I mean is would the more able be targetted to make more than 2 levels?

Why would you expect a child to make more progress if they start year 3 on a level 3?

I teach KS3 and i would expect, on average, all children to progress, regardless of the point they were starting from on entering the key stage.

Why should the 3b be targeted to make more progress than the child who achieved 2c ? I would want both children to make the most progress they possibly can.

Yes I see that, and hope it were the case for every child, but if a child has demonstrated good ability by starting the next KS ahead of average, would they be expected to continue to demonstrate a higher level of ability?

Oh am I not making sense?

Often children who have made accelerated progress early on plateau (some even falter) because learning isn't linear regardless of what Mr Gove believes.

I went to a meeting at DS's school about KS2 (he is due to go into yr3 in sept) and she said all children are targeted to make 2 levels of progress whatever they start yr3 on.

and children who were slow starters can suddenly take off.
The levels are going to be scrapped anyway if the new curriculum is approved by parliament.

Although, with the reintroduction of level 6 tests, a lot of teachers are speculating that the expectation for L3 kids will be to make a L6......

But that's clearly not going to be the case now because levels will be scrapped and not replaced.

:)

In KS3 aren't children expected to make either 1 or 2 levels of progress?

Scrapped? Really?
I would have thought that whatever factors led to a child being well above (or below) average by end of y2 would tend to accelerate & be even more apparent by end of y6.
For kids in the middle, not the well above/below average, I would expect anything could happen.

Yes it was announced yesterday
If a child ends KS2 having made 2 levels progress from 3B they are well above expected levels but being the best at the age 7 doesn't mean it will continue in KS2 as national data indicates.

But what will that do to the annual summer "My 6yo got a Level 6 in maths, is that good?" queries on MN?

Perhaps that's why they are doing it

And what will Ofsted analyse in ordwer to declare schools either 'good or 'failing'??

I thought that too, Adventures - should halve the number of number of posts in July, I reckon.

yes, Indigo, they are.

The targets we are set are individual and aspirational targets based on their prior attainment at KS1 and 2. Usually, you would expect about 1.5 to 2 levels progress across ks3

darn, adventure!! new ways of stealth boasting will need to be thought of!!

The new phonics check, teacher.
L+S phase 3 by end of YR, phase 5 by and of Y1, so we're told.

If you get one child not achieving that, your school will FAIL!!

(On this kind of criteria, Y2 will become known as the 'intervention year'. )

Does anyone know more about this scrapping of levels? From what I just read it looks like the children will take a test at age 11 and be given a grade. This will reward high achievers and identify those who are struggling. Are they not assessing them prior to that though? Just wait til 11 and stick a "failed" label on them....? This can't be helpful. How can children who struggle get the help they need before secondary school? I don't understand what is being proposed....

"L+S phase 3 by end of YR, phase 5 by and of Y1, so we're told."
Surely that should be L&S phase 4 by the end of reception?

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