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Silly little girls (and sad ones, too). Reception. V long!

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Haberdashery · 07/05/2012 21:34

Oh god, small girls and friendships. What do you advise your child to do when another child or a few children together are being deliberately mean to them?

DD aged 5 in Reception is having a really crap time at the moment, culminating in an incident on Friday when her supposed best friend told her that her favourite toy was junk and she was going to come round to our house and throw it away in the middle of the night (obviously I pointed out that said child is four and her mum would be really cross if she even got out of bed in the night, never mind came round to someone's house and stole something, which DD did see made sense). Added to this, the other girls in the class are playing a game of It/Tag/Had every break, where if you get up on the bench you can't be got. DD is always It. The others are always up on the bench and don't get down so she can't try to get them. She spends her break times fruitlessly pleading with them to either come down or let her up on the bench. She doesn't want to go to school because she is frightened of play time. She loves class time and her teachers and TAs but breaks are torture to her.

I realise nothing terribly bad has happened but DD can't cope with it at all. She's not at all like me. I'd have hit/pushed/scratched one of them and been told off by now (if I was five, obv) but they would all have been much nicer to me afterwards despite the telling off. I keep telling her to try talking to a grown up helper in the playground about it, but she knows that they are expected to try and sort out disagreements themselves, at least to some extent, and is reluctant.

I am too fighty and 'so what, loser' to give her proper advice that she would want to act on, and she's such a gentle girl. She hates the idea of having to be mean back to them. In a way, I don't want her to lose that gentleness. It's a nice quality.

I have also told her to just walk away and find her big girl friends (she has a few friends in higher years who she didn't know before starting school yet has forged great friendships with - they're all lovely to her), and she does. But understandably, she wants friends in her peer group too. Some play times are reception only so she has nobody to realistically play with at these times.

Could anyone wiser than me tell me what I should be suggesting to her? Should I talk to her teacher? When I raised the issue at the last parents evening (just of DD feeling like she didn't have anyone to play with as nobody was actually being mean at that stage), her teacher was amazed and said 'But X plays with everyone, I think she's doing brilliantly socially'. But she isn't. She's unhappy and lonely. She wants to just join in the games on equal terms.

I really don't know how to tackle this. Please help!

Sorry, v long!

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Viewofthehills · 07/05/2012 21:40

I would talk to the teacher again- no blame attached to anyone and see what she can suggest. They might be able to discuss it in circle time. How others feel when they are left out , fair ways of taking turns etc.
At this age it is as important for them to learn these things as reading and writing.

wine0 · 07/05/2012 21:42

If it was me I would give DD some different suggestions on what she could say, act some scenarios out too. I would also invite some of these girls for tea (seperately of course) so she begins to build up the friendships away from the other girls.

milkysmum · 07/05/2012 21:44

Yes second having another chat with teacher without attatching too much blame. So sad for your dd. My dd is 3 and I dread the day I have to start dealing with these issues which I'm sure to one extent or another may occur,

Haberdashery · 07/05/2012 21:49

Thanks, both. I had thought of talking to the teacher but didn't want to make her think I was kind of trying to micromanage things, particularly since she'd said that DD was doing well socially. I really don't want to be pushy or expect special treatment for my child. I think this is a situation that a slightly more resilient child would manage easily.

I have tried to point out to DD what might happen if she, for instance, says 'oh, well, if nobody's giving me a fair turn, I don't want to play'. But she kind of doesn't get my point. Give me some tips! What shall I suggest she says?

We've had a few of them round for tea. They've all played nicely when not in a group.

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Haberdashery · 07/05/2012 21:50

Oh, thanks to you too milky. Cross post.

OK, I'll have a chat to the teacher again. I do really like the teacher. She seems very competent, very kind and very approachable. I just don't want to come across like a loon if it's not appropriate to talk to her in this situation!

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katcatkat · 07/05/2012 21:59

We have had similar situations and the best way if dealing with it is to go and ask the teacher for 'advice' on how to help explaining that it's got to the point of you child not wanting to go to school.
Maybe this needs to be tackled by school or maybe you might get some suggestions this way you have not blamed but left it open.
My girl really struggles with this stuff.

Hulababy · 07/05/2012 22:01

Def talk to the teacher.

Haberdashery · 07/05/2012 22:07

Thanks. I will talk to the teacher. I did want to but didn't want to seem like I was being a bit over-protective (I do think lots of other children would just shrug this off or deal with it there and then - I know I would have as a kid).

Nice to have a consensus!

How old is your girl, kat? Has she found it easier as time goes on?

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katcatkat · 07/05/2012 22:22

My girl is now 7 but unfortunately it's got worse not better beginning to suspect aspergers.
But school have been good at being aware and also putting her in structured social sessions.
But also I know that most times I have gone in they have said she is not the only one who had problem at that time.

hellymelly · 07/05/2012 22:28

I have a sensitive little soul in reception too, she was five this week. We've had similar things- one of the other little girls excluding her from group games etc, and although I know its just par for the course ,in the end we did talk to her teacher, as dd was getting really upset,(night terrors etc) and none of my advice to her on how to handle it had worked. Her teacher did talk to the class and to some of them in a smaller group, about not excluding anyone and it did help. It still happens from time to time but not to the same degree. I do sympathise, it is horrible, I didn't want my dd to have to "toughen up", I like it that she is kind and sensitive.

Haberdashery · 07/05/2012 22:35

Oh no, very sorry to hear that, kat (that it's worse not better). Hope the structured sessions are of use to her. DD did structured social sessions in preschool and it was brilliant for her confidence.

Thanks, helly. I agree, I would like DD not to have to toughen up, too. In my case I was tough because I had a horrible home life. I was hoping it would be a while before DD had to grow a hard shell like I had to. I like that she's having a nice life and hasn't had to learn how to be nasty to other people.

Thanks for the encouragement, all. Will try to have a quiet word with DD's teacher tomorrow.

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3duracellbunnies · 07/05/2012 23:22

My dd1 had some issues with children chasing her when she didn't want it, I suggested sitting down so the chase got boring, and this sometimes works. With your dd, when they are all on the bench, I would advise her to maybe say 'i'm going to close my eyes and count to 3 (assuming that she can) and you have to come down if you still want to play', but if they don't come down or they repeatedly do it then teach her the hair toss and 'this is a boring game, i'm going to find my other friends' then just walk away. The emphasis has to be on the word 'boring', it is a shame to teach the word to a 5yr old, but if she doesn't already use it, she will soon. No child likes to think they are playing a boring game, they only do it because she is pleading with them. Get her to think about the game, and how it really is a boring game as they just stand on a bench all playtime, and really playtime is for doing fun things. You will probably need to role play it, cue her on the sofa being nasty and you being her tossing her hair, then swop and you go on the sofa. It will probably take a little while to perfect. If you are able to combine it with helping her to play a few games which she can do if her older friends aren't there (e.g. Hopscotch if they have one painted, maybe hulahooping, etc).

If that fails, tell her to do what dd2 has done, and play with the boys (assuming mixed class). Before you say 'oh she's a girly girl etc', before reception dd2 would only wear (ideally pink) dresses, boys were 'it' not he, and the only boy she had ever played and talked with was ds. Now she has a little group of mainly boys, and she gets them all playing fairies with her! It won't last for ever, but for the moment I am so glad that she has got her confidence in making friends back (after tough time in nursery), and a few girls are seeping into her conversations now. The teacher has been really helpful, as she came from nursery with these issues, and she has really helped her work on it over the past few terms. Good luck with it, and from what I hear it only gets worse in yr 4+5!

Haberdashery · 08/05/2012 09:45

Brilliant. Thanks so much. Those are some great ideas.

Actually, she's not really a girly girl but she is a sort of sedentary chatty child rather than a running about one which I think is why she avoids the boys games a bit.

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Haberdashery · 08/05/2012 09:47

Also, argh to it getting worse!

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3duracellbunnies · 08/05/2012 10:11

Try googling playground games and get some to teach her which can be small groups or larger, for example dd1 got so much street cred when she introduced cat's cradle. The ta /lunchtime supervisors should also be teaching playground games, at least they do in reception in our school. Some boys are a bit quieter, especially those with older / younger sisters, ds is very intouch with his feminine side! It is these ones that dd2 plays with, your dd might be able to identify one or two who are potential friend material. Hope it improves soon.

sairygamp · 08/05/2012 10:13

Oh it's so horrible isn't it? :( I hate little girls and their nastiness :( DD is the only girl in her class (yr 1) not to have been invited to another girls party. The girl in queation did come to hers so I am beyond baffled :(

Haberdashery · 08/05/2012 10:14

I will, thank you! And I have made an appointment to talk to DD's teacher after school today so hopefully we can get this sorted out very soon. The teacher was horrified to hear that DD is having difficulties (I said I'd like to ask for some advice about playground problems) so I am sure she will be helpful.

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Haberdashery · 08/05/2012 10:16

Oh dear, sairy. So sorry to hear that. Your poor DD. I do wonder what the parents are thinking in that kind of situation. I would always assume that if DD was invited to a party she should invite that child to hers in return.

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AlanMoore · 08/05/2012 10:24

Teacher sounds nice and like she will be able to help.

This made me cry, I was just like your DD when I was little and I can still remember how it felt. Thankfully my own DD seems to be a more assertive character like her daddy so I doubt she will go through quite the same thing but I worry about DC2 who is on his/her way this month...

Is it a small school? Mine was big and we had 2 R/Y1 classes and a Y1/Y2 one, things improved for me when I made friends with a few quieter children from the other classes and some of the older girls in my own class, and went to play with some kids from my swimming lessons in another town. I still got picked on but was a bit more confident and knew to try and find someone else to play with.

Unfortunately young children are bombarded with the idea that they should have one or two special friends by tv and stories and I am not convinced that that model works too well for little ones - adults generally have lots of different friends from different places, you wouldn't expect your whole social life to revolve around the person you sit next to at work!

eeden · 08/05/2012 10:28

Talk to the teacher again. (For future reference, if you have a problem, don't bring it up at parents eve, bring it up as soon as it arises).

Tell her that the other girls are refusing to take turns in a game of tag and essentially isolating your DD whilst they are all up on the bench. The teacher should talk to the class about this. In our school rules, children have to be "kind" to eachother (only infants!) and I think this consitutes a breach of that rule!

survivingspring · 08/05/2012 10:51

She sounds lovely OP - sorry she's having a tough time with these girls Sad

I sometimes wonder what teachers actually pick up on - but definitely worth having a chat with her again. Hopefully she can work on the issue in class.

I'm only just realising what girls can be like as DD was the only one not invited to a classmates party recently. It hurts to see them so upset and so vulnerable doesn't it Sad

I hope things get better for your DD.

Beamur · 08/05/2012 10:59

I was surprised to find this kind of behaviour starting as early as Reception too, but my DD (5) has come home with stories of fallings out too. One little girl who she has always been good friends with seemed to be the one being pushed out a bit, so I invited her to come and play yesterday and while the girls were eating, it brought a tear to my eye to hear my DD apologise for being mean to her last week. These are such important life lessons to learn and social skills to pick up, but it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Haberdashery · 08/05/2012 11:11

Oh dear, Alan. Sorry to have made you cry! Just think, though, if DC2 does have a tough time, hopefully your experiences will help you to help him/her.

It's quite a small school. The reception classes are split into two v small classes of 15 but next year she will be in a larger class. The two Reception classes do lots of things as a bigger group so she does know the other class, just not quite as well. One of the things I suggested to her was that she might want to go and find someone from the other class to play with if the girls in her class are being mean to her. I think I may also invite some of the girls from the other class to come and play at our house.

The teacher is really nice. I am sure she will do her best to help. I'll let you know what she says.

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sleepingbunny · 08/05/2012 12:48

We had this too (dd is four and in reception). Horrid, isn't it? The one thing I have comforted myself with is that I've realised that dd tells me all of the bad stuff first. For example, she had a playdate on a day when dh was at home looking after them. I asked her on the phone how it had gone and she said 'xx doesn't want to play my games'. I was all panicky, but when I asked dh how it had gone he said they'd played beautifully for hours and the other girl hadn't wanted to leave. So I tell myself that it is maybe not as bad as she is painting it.
I've also invited some of the kids from the other Reception class over (two classes of 60) which has given her some other kids to play with at playtime, and some of the less boisterous boys. Hope it improves for you. In our case talking to her (very sensible and competent) teacher has yielded some good results.

daytoday · 08/05/2012 13:40

Talk to the teacher. You are not micromanaging - you are sharing some information. If you daughter is finding friendships hard for whatever reason you should share it with teacher. I wouldn't blink an eye at sharing it. She's only 5 -

You are not telling the teacher what to do or anything like that - just equipping the teacher to know your child better. Poor little munchkin.

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