Question about what happens in Year 1 if Reception appeal successful

[MWB22]

Sorry ? probably daft questions.

OK, so if we decide to appeal and actually manage to win and get a reception place my DC goes into a class of 31.
But am I correct in understanding that once they are there if that class remains stable and goes into Year 1 as 31 the school has to employ another teacher?
How do schools with tight budgets manage that, as I understand they get a fixed amount per child?
It would be great as it would take the class sizes down to 15/16, but how does that work if the school is full and there are no spare rooms? Two classes with two teachers in the same room? A portable cabin?
Then if the classes are 15/16 does it open the door to other parents appealing in Y1 and moving their children in to the classes and it goes up to a maximum of 60 in the year group not 30?
What happens if midway through year 1 a child leaves, does the school ?sack? the additional teacher at the next viable opportunity to save money?

Probably sould have titled that questions!

Mixed classes ie by actual age rather than the false school age maybe? So in one class you would have reception and year one, another class year one and year two? It would make getting class sizes to 30 easier?

Maybe they will only accept 29 into reception next year & one of the y1 children will be mixed in with them? All sorts of tactics, I think you're trying too hard to figure this out.

In my experience, you won't win the appeal :(

The top number is 30. We were told that if class size was 30 that it didn't matter how persuasive our argument, that unless special needs/looked after children, that we would have to go on the wait list.

We were fortunate, as only 28 in the class and had lots of reasons to win appeal-though were first ones to win an appeal in a very long time.

Good luck though.

Two teachers in the same classroom IME. And yes, schools on a tight budget will suffer - sack TAs, buy less books who knows?

Actually pretty sure the rule on this has changed and any child admitted as an excepted child remains so throughout ks1.

I agree, very much doubt appeal would be successful. The school is at full capacity of 30 in every year, far more applications than places, very little movement away from school, so unlikely to be successful on the waiting list.
I know I'm overthinking, but confess it's advice for a relative not me and I'm trying to think of all the advantages of the allocated school, rather than the first choice school.

Glad you asked this OP, I have always wondered!

Last year a lot won appeals for my DC school - a few families move away before the school years started reducing numbers but DS started a year with 33 in both class though other class is down to 30 due to families leaving.

So it can happen.

I don't think its done my DS any favors being in such a big class despite them having TAs as well. He is shy, quiet and well behaved but struggling in an over sized class with several dominate personalities and a fair few other DC with physical and behavior problems.

I had been assuming that more teaching staff would be assigned next year but reading this thread looks like I'll have to hope some more people leave.

Yup, DS1's class is still 31 in Y1, as is the other class in the year. 1 teacher only in each class. Both classes been like this since last year.
OTOH, I clearly remember being in a class of 50 when I started school with 1 teacher and 1 nursery nurse, so anything's better than that (mym memories are not good ones...)

The law as it stands at present is that if you win an appeal before September then they will be an excepted pupil for the school year. In September 2013 if the class is still 31 then they will have to employ an extra school teacher or split the class in some way to get it down to 30. An extra teacher is obviously expensive and would not be easily found within the school budget. In very round terms one child is worth approximately £3000 in funding, whereas a teacher with add on costs is more like £30000.
A much more likely scenario is that one or more children is put in the year above, if that is possible, so that an extra teacher is not required. Splitting the class into two is the worst of all worlds with the need to fund an extra teacher and an extra classroom.
From September 2012 the new admission code comes in and this then allows all pupil admitted as excepted pupils, in effect for sept 2013, to remain as excepted pupils for all the time they are an infant pupil, no extra teacher will be required.
Being realistic once the new law comes in this September, my guess would be that many schools will ignore the fact that they should treat this year's entries as excepted for only one year but will assume they should be treated as excepted pupils till somebody leaves and the class drops down to 30. That would be the pragmatic answer to the potential situation