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Are there any KS1 teachers out there who can give me some advice?

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WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 15:56

DS will be 6 at the end of June, he is in year 1. His attainment levels are 'below expected' in reading, writing and maths.

I am giving him extra support at home to practise his reading and writing. We read every day (once or twice) and practice writing every day. He is also doing the 'Book Quest' at our local library because he loves it, and gives him yet more practice.

I have always found that he finds maths very easy Confused.

Can you tell me what the "expected levels" are at the end of Year 1? I have not found his teacher very forthcoming and I'm finding it hard to know what to do without knowing the (ideal) end goal.

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WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 18:25

The school uses Letters and Sounds. He has additional help from another teacher and she sends home new sounds to practice and tricky words to learn. He can blend but he is not confident in his own abilities and doubts himself. Sometimes I can see him mouthing the right word but he won't say it outloud. He is on Phase 3 in the Letters and Sounds framework.

I suppose what I'm trying to find out is what Phase do they want him to be on?

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mrz · 11/04/2012 18:33

The expectation is to work on phases 2-4 in reception phase 5 in Y1 and phase 6 in Y2. Phase 3 means he hasn't been taught/learnt the 44 sounds found in English so I would agree with the teacher that he is behind.
What reading books are you reading with him at home?

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 18:46

Thanks mrz that's really helpful. We read the book he gets sent home with every night (Biff and Chip or similar) plus one of his books. He is really into Dr Seus atm for reading himself, and he likes to listen to Mr Men/Roald Dahl/various picture books. He is doing the Book Quest at the library so gets something from the 'beginner' bookshelf. If we reading a longer book (like Roald Dahl) we tend to read together, so he does one page, I do one page.

One thing he really struggles with is remembering what he has learned. For example, he asked me about telling the time. I taught him O clock, Quarter Past, Quarter To and Half Past. He wanted to learn this and was keen. He perservered for at least 20 minutes but still cannot remember any other than O'clock. It's like it goes in one ear and out the other! So, he can read the word "Go" in one sentence and if it appears in the next sentence he needs teaching it all over again. It's like it doesn't 'stick'.

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cherrypieplum · 11/04/2012 18:50

Yikes!! If 90% of learning is at home why send them to school?? Ridiculous concept! Any chance of moving schools?

mrz · 11/04/2012 18:56

No wonder he's struggling!! Outstanding! Rubbish!

he needs to learn the sounds of the English language and how they can be represented in writing. Start with learning one way of writing them then teach the alternatives - that is where he should be by the end of Y1 (obviously all children are different and some will get there sooner and others will take longer but I would be aiming for him to know at least all 44 sounds)

Look at the phonic e books on MN learningwww.mumsnet.com/learning/ebooks and the free phonics e books at oxford owl and ignore Biff and Chip www.oxfordowl.co.uk/Library/Index/?AgeGroup=3&BookType=Phonics

www.sounds-write.co.uk/docs/sounds_write_common_spellings_of_the_consonants_and_vowels.pdf

www.phonicsinternational.com/

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 18:59

I kind of agree but a structured phonics system definately comes into that last 10% Wink

I don't know if it is fair to move him schools when he is settled and happy. It won't change his ability level and his problems would just follow him right? On the other hand, could a more positive attitude make a big improvement? His current school is not interested in any of the things DS is good at (he loves Gymnastics and playing the guitar). Now, I'd be one of the most passionate people when asked about the importance of learning to read and write, it's very important BUT would encouraging his talents build his self-esteem, and therefore have a positive knock on effect for the things he struggles with? On the other hand (again!) would up-rooting him knock him back even further?

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mrz · 11/04/2012 19:02

I would probably consider Bear Necessities which is a 10 mins a day program that anyone can use does work.

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:04

Look at the phonic e books on MN learningwww.mumsnet.com/learning/ebooks and the free phonics e books at oxford owl and ignore Biff and Chip

LOL. Are you not a fan of Biff and Chip? DH hates them passionately. Those free books are fab btw and DS will love that it's on the computer. I don't want to encourage to much screen time but he really enjoys the games on BBC Bitesize. He'll do the literacy ones if he's done several science ones first.

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mrz · 11/04/2012 19:10

He's being taught to read using phonic method then given books that are whole word method. It's like me teaching him in French then expecting him to read German

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:12

That's interesting mrz. Their books are very poor. I mentioned that he enjoys reading non-fiction and he came with a book about chairs. CHAIRS!

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mrz · 11/04/2012 19:24

I've just bought in some Rapid Phonics which are great for boys with subjects like Monsters of the Deep, Rats! Shark Rock, Amazing Snakes

mrz · 11/04/2012 19:26

Perhaps MN could persuade Pearson's to make some of the e books available in the Learning section Wink

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:33

ooo yes please Wink Sharks and Monsters are right up his alley!

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MigratingCoconuts · 11/04/2012 19:37

sorry, but how can he be below expectations in year 1 if he is reading Roald Dahl with you at home?? that doesn't make sense to me.

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:46

He doesn't read it confidently, that's why we take turns, but only reading at the school books was putting him off because they dont engage him. Dr Sues is great because he can read it himself but it is engaging at the same time.

I would say he does better at home than at school, but then at home he has undivided one to one attention. It is also kept very quiet at home when he is reading, as he has glue ear. I appreciate this may not be do-able at school.

mrz is it Rapid Phonics Free Pack that you have ordered?

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mrz · 11/04/2012 19:48

i got the free pack but have convinced my head we need the other books

MigratingCoconuts · 11/04/2012 19:50

I still think that sounds more advanced that 'below expectations!' My dd in year 2 would not feel so comfortable with that (although that is a confidence issue more than anything now).

I take your point about the one on one attention but it does seem to me that the laziness issue is more about being engaged with the learning in the classroom.

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:53

I can only get the Free pack if I'm ordering from an establishment. Confused Does that mean only schools can have it? I'm a registered child minder.

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WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 19:59

I think MigratingCoconuts that his comprehension levels are good but his reading is poor and therefore he is easily bored with the books he is able to read. If the books were better they may see a different side to him, he loves reading at home or being read to in the bath spoilt rotten child

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mrz · 11/04/2012 20:41

I wouldn't expect a child still working at phase 3 to be able to read Dahl without a great deal of help

WantAnOrange · 11/04/2012 20:50

He does have a lot of help. Roald Dahl is what he enjoys, Dr Seus is what he is capable of IYSWIM. I guess the difference is he is a lot more willing to try when it's a story he loves.

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KidsNLP123ABCCoach · 11/04/2012 23:06

I often hear of similar problems, 'Want an Orange'. I have coached numerous 5-7 year olds and the most common problem that stops them achieving well in Literacy is the fact that they don't understand what they are supposed to listen to in words (phonological awareness) when the lessons pass the 3 letter word stage, such as 'cat' and 'dog'. They can often remember these words visually because they are short words and they have seen them before.

To be able to spell and write well they need to be able to hear the phonemes (sounds) in words. After they have learnt to do that they need to be able to match them to the graphemes (letters).

What tends to happen is that the children learn all the 'letter sounds' before they learn to listen to words and work out the sounds in them. This makes them concentrate visually on the letters. They are learning the process back to front.

The children then become confused and then unable to segment (split up) the sounds in words in a word such as 'help': the most usual mistake is spelling it 'hep'. Most children can't hear the 'L'. If they have SEEN the word before they sometimes spell it as 'hlpe'. They recall the letters, but don't attempt to listen to the word to hear the order of the letters, except, perhaps for the first and last letters.

These children need to be taught how to match the phonemes they hear to the graphemes they need to write. If the teachers aren't doing that it is because they may not have been trained to do it that way.

Ask the teacher how good your child's phonological processing skills are.
He should be able to recognise the word 'stand'

when you SAY the PHONEMES s- t -a -n -d

(actually when we say the word 'stand' it sounds more like 'sdand', because it is difficult to hear the t distinctly after the s),

so if he can't make the word try saying s- d- a- n- d for him to listen to.

DON'T show him the graphemes.

Ask him if he can say the sounds in a word such as 'brand'
Ask him if he can say the word 'brand' without r. It will be 'band'.
If he can do all of those things, then his phonological processing is OK. It may be something else that is holding him back.

His teacher needs to do a similar test with him to discover what can be done to help him. The teacher should have a bank of tests like this to use.
If you have any more questions about phonics post them here:-)

AnaS · 12/04/2012 03:32

It sounds to me that you are doing a great job with your son and the problem lies with the school! This may sound daft but have you discussed the glue ear with his teacher. It may be as simple as him not hearing in the very noisy year1 environment. could he sit nearer to the front and make sure he can see the teachers lips? I struggle with hearing in noisy environments but am better if I am facing the speaker. hth

mrz · 12/04/2012 07:47

KidsNLP123ABCCoach a child working on phase 3 is still learning the sounds and working at 2 and 3 letter word level phase 4 (yet to come introduces blend)...
I hate those bliddy phases and want to scream at the schools that stick to the so rigidly children who don't have SEN are still learning the sounds after 2 years in school.

The OPs son is learning

j v w x, y z, qu, ch , ar, sh , or, th (thin/then) ur , ng , ow, ai, oi, ee, ear,igh, air, oa, ure, oo

Outstanding!!!!