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Just read on another thread that smelling of alcohol is something a school makes notes of .. what else do they do make notes of?

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mrsotter · 09/04/2012 19:49

I heard once that uncut toenails were a sign of neglect, is that true?

Apart from smelling of alcohol, what else are trigger points for teachers?

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mrsotter · 09/04/2012 19:56

I'm just curious

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Choufleur · 09/04/2012 19:57

Well if a child did smell of alcohol I would probably be worried.

mrsotter · 09/04/2012 19:58

It was the parent that smelled not the child

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themildmanneredjanitor · 09/04/2012 19:59

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NiceHamione · 09/04/2012 19:59

I don't look at toenails!

Dirty uniform day after day, black circles under eyes, nits that never go, unexplained absences, bruises and illnesses.

Often it is more than one thing tbh.

Choufleur · 09/04/2012 20:00

I don't really get close enough to DS's teachers for them to know whether I smell of alcohol or not.

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NiceHamione · 09/04/2012 20:00

I agree there is not a list, sometimes you just get a feel something is not right. Sometimes a child just starts to act differently.

mrsotter · 09/04/2012 20:00

On the other thread it did indeed seem as if there was a list that teachers had to look out for/make note of/report ...

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mrsotter · 09/04/2012 20:03

When I first started dropping dd1 off at nursery, it was very noisy in the small crowed cloakroom and I used to whisper in dd1's ear 'love you, have lots of fun'

After a couple of weeks I noticed dd1's teacher watching us, so I stopped whispering and started saying it loudly enough for her to hear.

Made me quite paranoid for no reason.

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themildmanneredjanitor · 09/04/2012 20:05

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NiceHamione · 09/04/2012 20:06

That is paranoid MrsOtter.

FallenCaryatid · 09/04/2012 20:07

Here's a few

Types of Abuse
The following are some signs often associated with particular types of child abuse and neglect: physical abuse, neglect, sexual abuse, and emotional abuse. It is important to note, however, that these types of abuse are more typically found in combination than alone. A physically abused child, for example, is often emotionally abused as well, and a sexually abused child also may be neglected.

Signs of Physical Abuse
Consider the possibility of physical abuse when the child:
Has unexplained burns, bites, bruises, broken bones, or black eyes
Has fading bruises or other marks noticeable after an absence from school
Seems frightened of the parents and protests or cries when it is time to go home
Shrinks at the approach of adults
Reports injury by a parent or another adult caregiver

Consider the possibility of physical abuse when the parent or other adult caregiver:
Offers conflicting, unconvincing, or no explanation for the child's injury
Describes the child as "evil," or in some other very negative way
Uses harsh physical discipline with the child
Has a history of abuse as a child

Signs of Neglect
Consider the possibility of neglect when the child:
Is frequently absent from school
Begs or steals food or money
Lacks needed medical or dental care, immunizations, or glasses
Is consistently dirty and has severe body odor
Lacks sufficient clothing for the weather
Abuses alcohol or other drugs
States that there is no one at home to provide care

Consider the possibility of neglect when the parent or other adult caregiver:

Appears to be indifferent to the child
Seems apathetic or depressed
Behaves irrationally or in a bizarre manner
Is abusing alcohol or other drugs

Signs of Sexual Abuse
Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the child:

Has difficulty walking or sitting
Suddenly refuses to change for gym or to participate in physical activities
Reports nightmares or bedwetting
Experiences a sudden change in appetite
Demonstrates bizarre, sophisticated, or unusual sexual knowledge or behavior
Becomes pregnant or contracts a venereal disease, particularly if under age 14
Runs away
Reports sexual abuse by a parent or another adult caregiver
Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the parent or other adult caregiver:

Is unduly protective of the child or severely limits the child's contact with other children, especially of the opposite sex
Is secretive and isolated
Is jealous or controlling with family members

Signs of Emotional Maltreatment
Consider the possibility of emotional maltreatment when the child:

Shows extremes in behavior, such as overly compliant or demanding behavior, extreme passivity, or aggression
Is either inappropriately adult (parenting other children, for example) or inappropriately infantile (frequently rocking or head-banging, for example)
Is delayed in physical or emotional development
Has attempted suicide
Reports a lack of attachment to the parent
Consider the possibility of emotional maltreatment when the parent or other adult caregiver:

Constantly blames, belittles, or berates the child
Is unconcerned about the child and refuses to consider offers of help for the child's problems
Overtly rejects the child

Grockle · 09/04/2012 20:08

There's not a set list but teachers are obliged to report any concerns that could be safeguarding issues, the same way other professionals are. Things like unexplained or unusual bruises, children not being bathed, untreated nits, unsuitable clothing (sandals & no coat in the snow for example), cobsistently dirty clothes, frequent lateness, always ill or tired etc

Pozzled · 09/04/2012 20:08

Not a list, but there are certain things mentioned during child protection training...

Unexplained marks/bruises or ones where the explanation doesn't seem to fit
Child acting in a sexual way or knowing more about sex than they should for their age.
Medical issues that don't seem to be dealt with
Child unwashed or smelly frequently
Sudden change of personality, withdrawn

It can be lots of things. If it's minor it will get recorded but probably no action will ever be taken, unless it is part of a pattern.

mrz · 09/04/2012 20:09

it's worse when they smell of alcohol at drop off themildmanneredjanitor

Pozzled · 09/04/2012 20:10

X-post, FallenCaryatid covered everything I think!

Grockle · 09/04/2012 20:12

And a parent who seems rather paranoid might be cause for concern. I'd far rather report more than necessary rather than not report something that might be significant. There are loads of cases where teachers, social workers etc didn't report slightly unusual things that led to a child being seriously hurt or killed.

FallenCaryatid · 09/04/2012 20:13

Well, my list is from a website, but every school has a child protection policy, many of which have an appendix with a list of some of the signs to watch out for.

Sorry some of you are paranoid, but at least you haven't had to deal with infected cigarette burns on an infant or a child who has been buggered, or one who tears at themselves because they are ugly, or punches themselves in the face repeatedly because they are stupid. Because that's what their parents have made them believe.. Or been left home alone to cope for a month.
Someone needs to be looking out for the vulnerable, however many lovely mummies feel it isn't necessary, or couldn't possibly be anyone they know.

bigjoeent · 09/04/2012 21:12

Fallen, thanks for giving it some perspective.

cece · 09/04/2012 21:17

In our safeguarding training we are told that in all cases of death from abuse, a 'professional' saw signs of abuse but in one way or another did nothing. We are told to formally record any signs that worry us or a cause for concern. These are collated by one member of staff who can then decide if ss need to be contacted.

Can you imagine being the one person who could have stopped some form of abuse but did nothing? I certainly can't and often speak to my colleague who records these things about things I am concerned about.

Feenie · 09/04/2012 21:23

Just one person? We have three on our Child Protection Team, and we are a small school. We have lots and lots of causes for concern though, and lots of Social Care involvement, so maybe it's better that it's shared. Sad

cece · 09/04/2012 21:28

Ours is a small school too. Maybe it should be changed?! But at the moment it is our HT.

cece · 09/04/2012 21:29

but actually the SMT do discuss individual cases.

Feenie · 09/04/2012 21:36

Ours is the HT, DH and Learning Mentor.