Reading in the 1930's or 1940's

[yvette37]

Hello,

Does anybody know how they used to teach reading in the 1930's or 1940's? or earlier for that matter. What did they use instead of the 'Synthetized Phonics'? I am quite curious about this.

Thank you

Yvette

And it's great if you are doing Shakespeare with yr 2s. The whole play? In the first folio text? Wow!

and they understand it at an age appropriate level ...

Which is why I didn't understand why the Head of Ofsted seemed to think that teaching young children phonics would solve the problem of this country's decline in literacy standards compared to other countries on the P??? test or whatever it is called. I mean what does he mean by literacy? Is it decoding or higher level skills? What does that P test actually test for and for what age group? How is teaching phonics to KS1 etc going to increase our literacy standards vis-a-vis other countries?*

Because to be able to access any of the higher level skills it's essential that you can decode in the first place, claig.

I would be talking to your ds's school about his declining enthusiasm for reading, niminypiminy - I would be seriously worried about it, poor chap. You may well be able to trace it to their crap interpretation of phonics teaching - no child is bored in our phonics classes.

'And it's great if you are doing Shakespeare with yr 2s'

And they tell us that our literacy levels are declining compared to other countries. What are their year 2s reading- Confucius and Nietzsche?

I don't believe that good teaching excludes vocabulary and comprehension. I just don't think that phonics, which does relentlessly focus on decoding, whatever else good teachers may do, is the be-all and end-all.

It isn't, it's 20 minutes. When do you think we have the time to teach all the other AFs otherwise?

And which nutjobs believe that good teaching does exclude vocabulary and comprehension?

We are reading Spiderwick at the moment in class and at home time there was a stampede of children wanting to take copies of the first book home to read so I don't think phonics has negatively impacted on their enthusiasm. It may have negatively impacted on my bank account and Amazon's profits

and increased Amazons profits

'And which nutjobs believe that good teaching does exclude vocabulary and comprehension?'

You only have to read the Daily Mail's education pages to find the answer to that one.

It's a sign that phonics isn't just a teaching system but an ideology that we've got to insults

I try not to, tbh, Caig.

If it's in the Hate Mail it must be true

What insults?

I think niminy is objecting to the term 'Hate Mail'

mrz, do you teach in a school with a preponderance of children from reading homes?

Because in my school, only 30% of parents support their children's reading in reception, fewer as they go up the school. Spiderwick chronicles would be unthinkable in yr 2 as there would not be enough children at an appropriate level in the class. It's not crap teachers. It's children coming from home where there's never been any reading, where there's never been any support for education.

Whatever phonics can do - and I'm sure it can do a lot - it can't turn around a culture.

Who is hurling insults?

My point was that neither you nor I would ever think that good teaching excludes vocabulary and comprehension, niminypiminy - it's so obvious. And you would be an eejit to think otherwise.

Am I insulting eejits?

This is a wonderful thread and most enjoyable particularly because I am trying to help DS with, guess what, Macbeth and only yesterday we were incarnadining the multitudinous seas.

Poor Ds was badly taught whole word and is a logical dyslexic who likes rules and now hates reading. His ed psych thought systemic phonics would have been better.

Would respondents agree?

actually it was 'nutjobs'

hardly since I posted that after niminy posted insults and HM is a recognised nickname for the DM

Whatever phonics can do - and I'm sure it can do a lot - it can't turn around a culture.

Having 100% of children actually able to read is what turns around a culture, niminypiminy - and yes, in a fairly book/reading deprived area.

spendthrift systematic phonics is beneficial to most beginner readers

No niminypiminy I teach children who don't have access to books in the home unless you count the PS2 handbook or Playboy.

Niminy, reread the post. You said that you happened to think good teaching shouldn't exclude vocabulary and comprehension. I agreed, and said who are the nutjobs who think good teaching DOES exclude them?

Are you seriously suggesting that these mystery people who think good teaching DOES exclude teaching vocabulary and comprehension need defending??

And where ARE these people?