Some advice from KS1 teachers/parents please

[Justnormal]

Apologies for repetition. I posted this by mistake on the education forum (still finding my way around MN!) and would like some more advice as I'm struggling to find logic. DC is in year one and just turned 6, reading age of 7.3 and normal ability.

Main issues

Spelling lists which follow RWI and are driving me insane as so hard to learn. eg this week we had the "oy & oi" sounds

Sounds oi & oy

Disappointed
annoying
would
voice
checkpoints
choices
joyfullness
avoiding
marmalade

I feel my child is struggling with very basic spelling of words when writing (these have never been covered in school as RWI level determined by reading age test) and that the words given weekly are of very little benefit. School response is they know best and the weekly spellings are specific to RWI.

Any advice please, TIA

On another point - it's joyfulness not joyfullness. Not sure if that was the school's spelling or not but the rule there is simple. It's one l for all such words - joyful, hopeful etc. Shame to learn the oy/oi and get penalised for the double L.

I think this is hard for Y1 as well.

Justnormal - glad that was of help. Hope it works for you too!

margonandjerry: sorry, was dashing off an answer and missed the double 'll' thing - was just cutting/ pasting. Also apologies for 'there' instead of 'they're' and other typos that appeared in my post. No excuse really - just very tired.

Spello was mine this time although we have had a few spelling mistakes on the spelling lists.

What is interesting working through these spellings is that the one found easiest by DC is disappointed. This is thanks to advise on here (sorry forgot who mentioned) about breaking up into syllables. DC is mathmatical and saw a pattern 4 (sy)x 3(lt). We are struggling with oy's as wants to put oi's. Will keep going with all the ideas, thank you all.

Look at the root words
joy - words ending with oi are spelt oy so joyful, enjoy, joyous, joyfulness have oy

point - words with oi in middle spelt oi so pointless, disappointed, appointment have oi

My DS was learning phonics and could spell "hospital" with that system, but not "circle" (this is in Reception - please don't tell me this is backward and that we should have covered "circle" already.....). "Water" is another word that goes against the phonics system so I'm not asking him to spell that. I presume it would be "wotu" if one follows the rules.

water the "rule" that ~w can alter the sound the following letter represents

so in was the a represents o and in water or

When c is followed by i, e or y it can represent s (usually taught in Y1 depending how fast children progress I always teach it in reception)

mrz - so we are not behind? Lol. I really want to teach him this now at reception age....his teacher (she's very good actually) mentioned that when another child had spelled "water" in her workbook she must have gotten some help from an adult. But I think I'll just teach him the correct spellings of circle and water as you've mentioned. I can't bear to see water being spelled as "wotr" (heavy drawl on the r in our area apparently!!) for the next 3 months.......