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Key stage 1 - so what do the reading / maths levels really mean?

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anynamesleft · 13/03/2012 23:23

DS1 is in year 1 and at tonight's parents' evening 'family learning conference' his teacher mentioned he was at level 1b.

As our 15 minute slot whizzed by I didn't get to ask quite what that meant - is there an expected level for Year 1?

I'm sure this must have been asked before but can anyone fill me in on how these levels work - or point me in the direction of an old thread if it's been done to death already.

TIA

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dinglydell · 13/03/2012 23:39

I don't think dd was given a level until after her year 2 SATs but I know then that to be 2c was slightly below average, 2a slightly above and 2b spot on target. You couldn't get higher than a 3. So i would think that in year 1 1b is probably right where he should be.

iklboo · 13/03/2012 23:43

DS is in Y1. His teacher told us the 'average/expected' level at the end of Y1 is 1B, so it sounds like your LO is bang on target Smile

bookwormthatturned · 14/03/2012 00:08

OP here again, after a coincidental name change ... I'm not asking about this as an obsessive 'pushy parent' Grin but am starting to realise we're at the beginning of a long journey into the mysterious world of SATs and assessment structures!

Knowing nothing about it the whole thing just seems so confusing - is there anywhere it's all set out?... ideally in plain english?

PastSellByDate · 14/03/2012 04:01

Hi anynamesleft

Mumsnet Learning pages (supported by Pearson) has a good section on Assessment and NC Levels here: www.mumsnet.com/learning/assessment/national-curriculum-levels

What the levels mean: www.mumsnet.com/learning/assessment/what-national-curriculum-levels-mean

How a child should progress through the levels: www.mumsnet.com/learning/assessment/progress-through-national-curriculum-levels

On top of this some schools also use APP (Assessment of Pupil Progress), which basically breaks down progress in reading, writing and maths by observation of working to a number of AF (Assessment Focus) levels. The idea is that by observing work at specific points - the teacher can better track progress.

Example from Hertfordshire CC here for reading/ writing: <a class="break-all" href="http://www.thegrid.org.uk/learning/english/ks3-4-5/ks3/assessment/index.shtml#app" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.thegrid.org.uk/learning/english/ks3-4-5/ks3/assessment/index.shtml#app (Please note the grids for reading & writing go up to NC Level 8 (which is secondary school levels) and primary is only required to Level 4, but can go to Level 5 and exceptionally goes up to about Level 6 - but you can clearly see the differences in attainment across a number of different indicators (AF levels)).

Example for maths as 'I can statements' here: www.usethekey.org.uk/popular-articles/2018i-can2019-statements-for-subject-specific-skills-at-key-stages-1-and-2#section-6

Basically most LEAs are working to some form of this. Some schools apply this to all pupils whilst others apply it to a sub-set of pupils and then use these pupils to benchmark levelling for the remainder of pupils in a class.

Why are you being given levels now? Well OFSTED is requiring that schools inform parents of progress and that pupils clearly understand where they are and what they need to do to improve. Many schools have studiously avoided discussing levelling of pupils - because most parents will naturally want their children to be doing well and difficulties might arise if they aren't. Our school only introduced a simplified parent-/ student-friendly version of APP against NC Levels in the run-up to OFSTED inspection. Personally I've found it very useful as my DD1 was seriously struggling in reading, writing & maths in KS1 (largely because she learns through doing and there was a strict little or no homework policy & because 'average' students got a lot less direct time with the teacher for things like guided reading or maths group work). I've posted elsewhere about our solutions.

SATs testing KS1: this is now largely carried out through teacher assessment with very little formal testing. In most cases the child is unaware this is going on, but they may be selected out individually or in small groups to do something like a reading comprehension 'exercise', which is in fact a test. They will not be sat at a desk for an hour filling in some form of standardised test.

SATs testing KS2: is more serious and children can get wound up but this is really about the teachers/ school being anxious to do well because these results are reported and used to rank schools. So in fact the pressure is on the school to have got pupils to a certain standard - rather than on the pupil. For example, it's not their fault if they don't know how to divide, because it wasn't taught - as can be the case at our school. What is important for the pupil is these results are what the next school (the secondary school) will first know about your child. So they will initially be placed into groups for subjects on the basis of these results (so if your child gets L3, they'll be placed in a group with other pupils who are struggling and if your child gets L5 they'll be placed in a group with other pupils working at above average levels). I hasten to add that most secondary schools also do their own testing in the first term to ensure that children are placed into the appropriate set when starting secondary school.

I've posted elsewhere that the way to view these national tests is that taxpayers (with or without children) are funding education and they are entitled to understand that the schools are performing to a certain standard. When you look into it the NC Levels expected (2b at end KS1 (Y2) and 4b for KS2 or end of Y6) they really aren't that demanding.

HTH

mrz · 14/03/2012 07:30
Biscuit
Highlander · 14/03/2012 07:45

I don't think teachers should be allowed to divulge 'levels'. DS1 is in Yr2 and I had to get his lovely teacher to do a 'levels for dummies' Wink. I think I get it, but do I need to ? Smile

He's making progress and isn't a hooligan. All I need to know.

mrz · 14/03/2012 07:55

Sorry PastSellByDate but most of what you have said is incorrect.

In KS1 schools MUST by law carry out the tasks & tests although the level they report to parents is Teacher Assessment.

Ofsted do not require schools to give levels to parents except at the end of Y2 and Y6 as this is a legal requirement ...

Iamnotminterested · 14/03/2012 09:58

Highlander - why exactly should teachers not be allowed to divulge levels? Confused.

And PastSellByDate - The undemanding expectations that you mention at the end of your post may not be demanding to your obviously above average children but for a lot of children they will not be reached.

Highlander · 14/03/2012 13:26

I was joking; meaning I felt I had to have a PGCE to understand the assessment process in schools Grin

Iamnotminterested · 14/03/2012 13:31

Ah. I can't do spreadsheets or follow the plot lines in "Lost" but I do know how levels in primary schools work and they're really not that tricky to understand.

PastSellByDate · 14/03/2012 14:33

mrz - sorry was writing very late at night and as usual feeling my blood pressure rise (see below - but you know my back-story here I had a DD who was really struggling and was just left to it by the school, insultingly so) - but gist of what I was trying to say was that Y2 pupils usually don't understand they're being tested (at least around here). They're typically taken out one at a time or in small groups and given tasks for assessment. These assessments can be over-ruled by the teacher, if performance was unusually low and below normally observed standards [practice here mrz]. (Hopefully this fuller explanation better matches your view of how things occur?)

Would love to know more on that Biscuit on why you are against telling parents NC Levels. As a parent I'd like to understand that my child is progressing, having a bit of a dip/ plateau or falling behind? I'm doing a lot extra at home to support my DDs, especially DD1, and can track (and validate) the improvements because NC Levels are reported 3x a year now here. I find it very reassuring that what we're doing is working (and I include the school in that).

Iamnotinterested - Unless there is an underlying issue - I really don't think an expectation that an 10/11 year old should leave primary able to read at or above their chronological age and should be able to add, subtract, multiply & divide is asking for the moon. However, I respect your right to feel that this is an outrageous expectation for parents to have of schools. I know our school feels this way.

mrz · 14/03/2012 16:57

I'm not against telling parents NC levels if they want to know but as a parent I didn't find them particularly useful/informative.

Iamnotminterested · 14/03/2012 17:01

PastSellByDate - My 11 year old WILL leave primary school able to read at a level above their chronological age and yes, she can add, subtract, multiply and divide. Just not well enough.

mrz · 14/03/2012 17:05

Sorry PastSellByDate but I think someone else pointed out on another thread but the teacher isn't over ruling the task/test results - The law states
"The statutory National Curriculum tasks and tests must be administered to all eligible children who are working at level 1 or above in reading, writing and mathematics. Tasks and tests are designed to help inform the final teacher assessment judgement reported for each child at the end of Key Stage 1."

As a Y2 teacher it isn't my view it is the statutory requirements that all schools in England follow.

PastSellByDate · 14/03/2012 17:29

mrz

I'm pretty clear nothing was 'statutory' - however by law (since you're interested) this data is collected on our children with tax payers money & therefore under the Freedom of information act we're entitled to it, all class work and any e-mails/ correspondence.

Transparency is a requirement now - I'm not just being difficult mrz.

mrz · 14/03/2012 17:40

No but you are being misleading by giving incorrect information PastSellByDate.

Maintained schools are subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the Data Protection Act 1998. However, information that is recorded by a child during a test or examination is exempted from disclosure . Further details are available on the ICO?s website at www.ico.gov.uk.

Feenie · 14/03/2012 18:41

It was me who corrected the 'over-riding of test levels' on another thread - sorry PastSellByDate, I said then it was misleading.

See Building a picture of what children can do - which gives more of an idea of how the teacher assessment works; it's more gathering and using all sorts of evidence to give a final judgement than just using a test, or 'over-riding' anything.

PastSellByDate · 14/03/2012 20:50

mrz & feenie

Can I refer you mrz to your own quoted website: ww.ico.gov.uk - specifically: www.ico.gov.uk/youth/section5/other_peoples_stories.aspx

Recently the Daily Telegraph reported on the case of an 11-year-old girl who sat an exam but was unable to find out her result.

Myth
The exam board said the Data Protection Act prevented them from releasing the mark to the girl. They said that only the person who submitted the paper (in this case, her teacher), could see the results.

Reality
The Data Protection Act does not prevent exam results being given to those who have sat exams ? in fact, it?s quite the opposite. The exam board should have sent the result to the girl.

The girl received her mark after her Mum made a written request to the exam board.
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In this case it was an approach to an exam board but just perusing verdicts issued as *pdf files on the ico website - it is clear that your individual data cannot be withheld.

I'm sorry but the only reason you can withold an individual's request for exam data is if it is exam data for named pupils other than their own children (or themselves) or if the institution will be publishing the data for public access within 5 months.

It is clear that you do not have the right to learn other peoples specific results - but that anonymous data can be requested, but from what I've perused it quite specifically depends on the nature of the request and whether this data will ultimately be publically availalbe (e.g. KS2 SATs results).

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Perhaps I'm not being vey clear and this is causing the confusion. I feel it would be beneficial to parents to understand how their children are doing in summary in terms of key subjects at various points throughout the school year in order to understand that 1) they aren't falling behind, 2) they are steadily progressing or 3) they've hit a bit of a plateau. My personal experience has been that all 3 are possible for one child during their time at primary school (and we're only at Y4 for DD1 and Y2 for DD2).

I'm sorry that you disagree. From a parent's perspective working with someone who won't provide information is very unproductive.

mrz · 14/03/2012 20:53

From a parent's perspective my children's NC levels told me nothing important. From a teacher's perspective I'm happy to give parents a number if they want to know it.

Feenie · 14/03/2012 21:10

Me too.

PastSellByDate - I'm not sure why you addressed that post to me. My point was that to repeatedly say on different threads that test results in Y2 can be over-ridden was (at best) misleading, and I tried to explain to you why. Confused

morethanpotatoprints · 14/03/2012 21:30

I am getting a headache here. Can somebody give me a straight answer preferably a teacher. My dd y3

  1. will her teacher definitely know her level at any given time
  2. Does she have to tell me if I ask.

I want to know for reasons suggested above and as juniors cover 3 levels over 4 years I would like to know if and when I need to give particular support.

Also what level would you expect at the end of y3 in terms of progression from y2 if reading was 3, writing 2b, maths 2b. (results sats y2)

Feenie · 14/03/2012 21:39
  1. Yes - children are constantly assessed.
  2. According to many MNers yes, because of the Data Protection Act. I have no personal experience of this, but am suspicious of any school who would not reveal levels when asked. There is no good reason not to share them if requested.

Juniors cover 2 levels, not three - children are expected to make 2 levels of progress in 4 years.

I would say 2a/3c from a 3b, and difficult to say for the 3 as it depends what the sublevel was (which they don't have to report at 3 in Y2). From a 3c, 3a would be good progress, from a 3b a 4c is good, etc. Depends.

Feenie · 14/03/2012 21:41

Sorry, meant 2a/3c is satisfactory/good progress from a 2b, not 3b.

mrz · 14/03/2012 22:01

dera.ioe.ac.uk/10747/1/1849623848.pdf

juniper904 · 14/03/2012 23:44

Between years 2 and 4, children should make 1 level's (3 sub-levels') progress.

This means that, for average progression, there will only be one sub-level progress in one of the two years.

By the end of year 3, we expect children to be a 2a 1/2. Or a 2a/ 3c for data input.

@ morethanpotatoprints you say "at any given time" and my answer is no. If a parent asks me in the playground, then I have no idea. Give me my record book and yes, at any given time.

Saying that, my school has told all staff not to share levels at this term's parents' evening as we haven't completed our assessment week.

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