How far behind is this?

[Ouluckyduck]

a child currently in year one who is on point 3 of the eyfs for the writing and numeracy bits - how far behind is this?

What does his teacher say about him?

His teacher is not saying much realky, she does not seem that concerned.

mrz - nah, I wouldn't suggest waiting years. But there could be many reasons why he might be behind (not necessarily SEN). It could be that something is happening at school we don't know about. Without having met the child it's difficult to judge. Lots of kids are labelled SEN from a very early age (nursery or reception) when really they just need more support for short while in one area. Have you heard of the government's proposed tests for 2 year olds? Well, my son would have failed in the speaking department but is making up for it now a year later!

Magdalene - going on the SEN register doesn't label you or mean you stay on it all it means is exactly what you said - the child currently needs support.

It's a label for the paperwork describing the extra support a child gets.

SEN does not mean SN.

LuckyDuck - I've always found that teachers have down played my childrens difficulties. For this reason I can never again trust teachers.

If your child is not throwing chairs they don't tend to be concerned.

You also have to remember teachers don't actually know what to do. So they don't have any sensible suggestions for you to do at home.

Teachers have half a day training on SEN. So if they haven't met a child like yours before they won't know anything about it.

I'm sorry to be so negative. Hopefully I'm wrong and your experience will be nothing like mine. But my story (for 2 kids with 2 different problems ) is pretty depressing reading.

However, I no longer blame school. It's not their fault. I've taken responsibility for everything myself, and in that way have made progress.

You can't trust teachers, sencos or schools if your child doesn't learn in a typical manor. (actually DD didn't learn at all. It's really not fair to blame school. She couldn't learn. )

OK magdalene not years how long then? One month, two, six, ten, twelve?
The majority of our children receiving support move on and off the SEN register within a term because we recognise they are having problems and work with parents and other professionals to address it quickly.

I can't see anywhere where mrz has been rude, magdalene, to be fair - she is just dealing in facts.

How can you gauge tone from a talk board anyway?

And, really, you don't have to be anywhere near as bitchy, magdalene. Your comments were uncalled for.

magdalene could you point me to where I've ever claimed such absurd things? If you in fact read what I have posted you will discover that I have stated many times I teach in a bog standard primary school in a very deprived area ...

magdalene - MN is not known for being polite.

If you want politeness go to NetHuns

Magdalene, do you have experience of SEN ? OP I'd press for intervention sooner rather than later. Eliminate the more obvious possibilties then ask for assessments, via gp if needs be. If ds had had the opportunity of extra learning support at 5 it would n't have had such an impact in his self confidence when he had to make up the ground later.

I don't know how old is OP's little one.But, at this stage , months younger could make a huge difference between them.Really it's not fair for the younger children to be measured and judged by the same ruler.
For me, it doesn't matter what his/her level now, as long as the child is making progess, on track.Also, 1-2-1 based informal home eaching could make a huge difference too.

The OPs child is in Y1 so is roughly 6 years old a score of 3 on the profile would be expected for a child of 3 or 4

magdalene, your posting behaviour towards mrz recently has been appalling, and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. I have reported you to MNHQ and have highlighted your nasty posts this weekend.

Well done Feenie

The OPs child is in Y1 so is roughly 6 years old a score of 3 on the profile would be expected for a child of 3 or 4
I would be concerned really even Op's little one is very young in the class.I don't have simliar experience ,but I wish Op can get proper help in this situation.

On the other areas of the eyfs he is on six or seven points - is that behind where he should be as well?

Btw he will be six in June.

Mrz - I don't have time to read all your threads so I can't really comment on what you've just posted. In future I will stay clear of the threads you are on as it always tends to get over heated. I apologise for my earlier comments.

How do you know what EYFS scores he's on now if he's in year one? Are school still levelling him there? Usually they move on to NC levels after reception

Yes they are currently still using the eyfs for him.

Ouluckyduck I think you need to ask for an appointment with the school to find out what they think. Obviously your son isn't working within NC levels but if they believed he has SEN then I would expect them to use P levels not the EYFSP. I'm pleased he is getting support but they are best placed to tell you the nature of his difficulties. I would advice ruling out minor physical obstacles first - hearing- sight ask for an OT assessment but please don't assume time will correct things. It may but if not then you have wasted time.

There is nothing wrong with working with the SENCO. I am involved with a pre-school and we do lots of SEN work with children that are perfectly ok in most areas but struggle in one particular area, this doesn't necessarily mean they have SNs but that we need to work with other professionals to ensure they are getting the help they need. You should really push it with the school as you can only do so much at home!

I think the EYFS levels go up to level 9 so I am assuming that most children will be around a 6-8 at the end of Year R but I know many children in my DS's class that were way below this and needed additional one to one help at the beginning of Year 1 in order for them to work at KS1. Level 9 is achieving higher than the Early Learning goals I think. I have read some information that says level 6 is average nationally.