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Left handed children

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FebreezeYourJeans · 08/02/2012 22:38

I am a teacher undertaking some school based research into our provision for left handed children. Before I begin I would like to find out as much as I can about the experiences of left handed children in schools nationally.

If you have a left handed child, currently in primary school, I would love it if you could take 5 minutes to answer some questions for me. Thank you very much
ahort survey here

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4madboys · 10/02/2012 08:46

oblomov ds3 now uses a clipboard and paper instead of a whiteboard :) i dont think they get him to write on the big white board, it was just little handheld ones that they were usingf all the time that he struggled with!

i am going to ask him about spellings and also t he finger spacing thing they get him to put a finger after his word to make a space before the next word but that means he is crossing his hands over to write, which must be awkward?

basildonbond · 10/02/2012 08:59

dd (9) in year 4 at independent primary

very strongly left-handed from babyhood, however it's hardly caused any problems at all and I'm not aware of any special provision either her current school or her previous (state) school have made other than providing left-handed scissors

Her hand-writing is beautiful, she uses a normal pen and doesn't smudge and doesn't hook her hand but manages to write very neatly and quickly. In her school, children's handwriting has to reach a particular standard before being allowed to move on from pencils and weirdly in dd's class only two of them use a pen, and they're both left-handed

It hasn't caused a problem with using a computer - she just has the mouse on the right-hand side and has got used to it

The only times it's caused an issue is occasionally with sport (she was on a mini-tennis course when she was 5 and having real problems - I was looking at her thinking 'that looks all wrong' and it suddenly dawned on me that she was trying to play with her right hand! All the other children were right-handed and she'd been too shy to say anything to the teacher. As soon as she swapped over to her left hand she was fine! The other time was when she was practising for a ballet exam and the dance involved a tambourine which she found tricky to get the hang of right-handed, but managed in the end

mimbleandlittlemy · 10/02/2012 13:09

Done the survey. State primary. Useless provision despite it being a good school on many other levels.

Ds uses the mouse right handed but otherwise we have all the smudge problems and he can't see the margin properly so writes too far away from it; it's currently one of his targets to get him writing to the margin. Wish school would let him use a left handed pen but he doesn't have his pen licence yet so he can't despite the fact he obviously writes better with the pen. Confused

Ineedalife · 10/02/2012 17:45

Done the survey, Dd3 has the added problen of hypermobility so is struggling with hand writing atm. It is difficult to seperate her leftie issues from her floppy issues. She gets some support and understanding at school.

Letchladee · 10/02/2012 17:50

I filled it in.

My DD is only year 3, and tbh we don't make any provisions for her at home (except left handed scissors) and I don't really know what's provided for her at school. Does she have 'needs' then? It has certainly never been raised, and I'm not aware of any problems. Her handwriting is very neat, she doesn't smudge, she doesn't hook her hand over, she just puts the page at an angle, that's all. With the mouse, she simply unhooks it and puts it in the other side.

What else is there???

earlyonemorning · 10/02/2012 18:48

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MrsHeffley · 10/02/2012 19:40

One of my twin boys is left handed so I have seen first hand how much of a disability it is and how much it has an impact on their education.

My boys have always been extremely close in development and both learnt to read very quickly,fluent in rec.In many ways my left hander is brighter but my right hander is further on in school.

I am an ex teacher(mostly KS1) and literacy co-ordinator and I've been totally shocked at how little identification and support there is.

Itold the rec teacher he was left handed and have bugged every single teacher from rec to year 3 re his pencil grip.Nobody was the slightest bit interested or did anything what so ever to correct it. In the end I bought a pack of Penagains(fantastic,I tried all pencil grips and found this the best at the time)and took them into school insisting he use them and turn his paper.He still didn't bend his thumb but does now(he's in year 3) since I've made sure he turns his paper and relaxes his hand.

His twin is streaks ahead with writing and said left hander complained he hated literacy as he gets tired ie not being able to read what he'd written and incorrect pencil grip makes it a chore.His twin has beautiful neat and tidy handwriting,said left hander has always formed his letters correctly(due to my efforts at home) but to be frank getting legible hw sitting correctly on the line in the right size has taken many hours at home.

Poor handwriting has an impact on all areas of the curriculum.My left hander is streaks ahead in science,geog,history etc but his twin got higher sats results because he writes pages of beautifully written work.My left hander hates writing and finds it arduous so will just do a couple of lines.

I'm so very angry.This is an outstanding school and learning to write left handed is bloody hard work.These children should get the support they deserve just like any child with additional needs.Children should be assessed on entry and every half term.There should be goals,continual pencil grip checks and resources,other than scissors my son has nothing.

Happily thanks to me my son now has lovely handwriting that sits on the line with a perfect grip(no hooking).I now just need him to produce more Smile.As I said he flew with reading but isn't putting his phonics(which he learnt to read instantly in rec the whole lot) into his writing so is still on Phase 4(his twin has finished/on the end of the whole scheme).I think because he covers his writing it makes spelling harder as you can't always see what you've written to check,(maybe forgets which sound he's put as it's covered up) or to get that jolt of recognition.I think it's an added complication when he's trying to use interesting words,keep his paper tilted,pencil held correctly and grip relaxed.

Sorry for the essay but I've been fuming about this for a while.Grin

BsshBossh · 10/02/2012 20:11

Febreeze please, please share the results of the survey and also any recommendations that output from it. My DD is right-handed but I am a leftie so I am really interested. It didn't hold me back academically (I ended up with a PhD). The primary school I went to in the 70s forced me to write properly (without the hooked wrist/hand) but to this day I can't write well without tiring quickly (love computers!). My parents weren't aware of left handed gadgets so I learned to do loads of things with my right hand (with no obvious problems) eg scissors, playing guitar, tennis. I'm quite ambidextrous now as is my leftie BIL (another 70s child).

BsshBossh · 10/02/2012 20:16

I have to say as a leftie that my handwriting was really neat, with no smudging and I never wrote with a hooked hand/wrist but only because my teachers taught me not to right from the beginning. I did very well at school and university. Teachers' support from reception is extremely important.

auntpetunia · 10/02/2012 20:17

with lh girls faring worse than lh boys

intersted in the comment re left handed girls faring worse than boys. DD is not only LH but also youngest in the year but is in the top set for every subject and is doing really really , where has that information come from.

Catsmamma · 10/02/2012 20:20

we are well past primary, but I did find when ds1 was there, all the staff were all over him re left handed scissors and swapping cutlery round but really unhelpful when I asked that he be moved to the end of a table where he would not clash elbows with a right handed child, or that he be reminded to tilt his paper so that he could write with his hand under the line and not do that terrible wrist hooky-over thing.

He's 19 now and manages normal mouse usage and ordinary scissors and normal place settings.

treetroppo · 10/02/2012 20:21

I am left handed and so is DS2 ( aged 4) is left handed filled in your survey - rather embarrassed that I said Don't Know to pretty much everything. Is it bad I haven't even checked with the teachers that they know! I presume it is obvious because he is very left handed but as he can barely write so far.... should I get more on top of it - doesnt' seem to have hampered him so far mad keen painter and drawer!!

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 20:21

My ds, aged 9, took ages to get a pen licence because of smudging.

There's an amazing left handed shop somewhere....or did I invent that?

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 20:22

MrsH. Do you have mirror twins?
[curious]

RavenVonChaos · 10/02/2012 20:26

Ditto 4madboys. My dd and OH are both Lefties and both turn paper round (i.e. From portrait to landscape and write downwards) bloody genius...no hook hand or smudging.

4madboys · 10/02/2012 20:38

raven its the obvious solution! dp and i both just did it off our own back and neither of us write with the hook hand and it doesnt smudge, i have tried to get ds3 to do it but he isnt keen and said he has been told not to (i suspect at school) i have made a list of things that i shall talk to his teacher about due to this thread!

alittleteapot · 10/02/2012 21:08

Have filled this in - dd is v little and only just at school so I have no idea how it will impact on things and how much special provision she'll need. For agest she seemed ambidextrous but is now definitely favouring her left. There are a couple of ambidextrous people in my family so it may be that she won't find it difficult to use her right hand for some tasks. Anyway will read this thread with interest when I have a bit more time.

Smokedsalmonbagel · 10/02/2012 22:47

Interesting thread.

DS1 is almost 5 and in reception. Has been left handed for as long as we can remember.

I think because school is all so new we hadn't thought much about him being left handed. No one has mentioned it to us so have no idea if they make any provision.

A couple of issues that I have identified are finger spacing and spelling. They have been told to use finger spaces between words and he looks so awkward when doing this. Also it has already been mentioned with the spellings they are meant to cover and write them out, again very awkward.

I am going to discuss these issues at parents evening in a few weeks. No idea about computers, I will ask him in the morning.

FebreezeYourJeans · 11/02/2012 10:07

A million 'thank you's to everyone who has responded. The comments here are the most interesting as you have raised issues I hadn't begun to think about.

I will try to link to some of the research later today. Of course, left handed children do succeed at school, and many of history's most brilliant individuals have been left handed, but data shows that they lag behind (and we are talking 1 or 2 percentage points) right handers at primary school. This is not all left handed children of course! This data itself needs exploring, if it's taken entirely from SATs results, with a time limit on writing it may be that you would wish to discredit it.

I have only just begun collating the data from my own school (a very large state primary - graded 'outstanding') When I asked all staff to write down on a piece of paper the names of left handed children in their class (after a term of teaching them) almost 50% of teachers couldn't do so! I have now identified all the children, we have slightly more than the 10% national average. Anecdotal evidence from talking to the children in years 3-6 suggest that they tend to be at the bottom end of the class in receiving their 'pen licence' Sometimes up to a year later than the majority of their peers. This fits with the experiences ofPosey and Mrs Heffley.

Being left handed is not a disability but it is an additional need which deserves to be met with correct teaching/modelling and appropriate equipment.

I haven't undertaken any educational research before, it will be a small scale project but will certainly raise issues and make recommendations. It won't be published, but I will be very happy to e-mail it to anyone who would be interested, obviously keeping anonymity for the school and its pupils, when it is finished.

Many, many thanks.

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4madboys · 11/02/2012 15:26

i would love to get the results and any recomendations you come up with, will pm you my email if that is ok? :)

alittleteapot · 11/02/2012 22:29

Febreeze all v interesting. for those of us just starting school with our left-handers is there any chance of a list of things we should be aware of - here white board is mentioned and smudging issues. Be useful to have a list of things to mention at parents' evening!

ShineYourButtonsWithBrasso · 11/02/2012 22:56

DD3 is nearly 4 and very much left handed so I am reading with interest.

Onlyboys · 11/02/2012 23:32

Can I hijack this thread a bit and ask if anyone who has commented above have DCs who thumb-sucked?

DS2 is 6m and sucks only his right thumb, so reaches for everything with his left hand. Will this make him a left-hander? I am a left-hander, though didn't thumb suck, so I am just wondering about whether he is forcing his own hand as it were.

jbl2312 · 12/02/2012 09:49

difficult one for me as i can not do the survey our daughter is 5 and left handed, however she was born without her left hand, you would think the brain would compensate for this but it dosent, she obviously has to write right handed and she is still using the fist approach instead of the pinch, but she is getting there, her older brother is left handed too, (16) and never had any problems

MrsHeffley · 12/02/2012 10:59

Ditto 4 mad boys,would you pm me with any results/recommendations.Smile