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What are the phonics (phonemes?) in 'eyes'?

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Tiggles · 01/02/2012 22:21

DS2s (reception) reading book has the word 'eyes' in several times. His phonics knowledge is fairly good (learning phase 5) - he is level 4 ORT and decodes them rather than guessing words from pictures, but eyes has me stumped on how to break it down Confused.

Also 'would' is this split w/ould like in c/ould etc or are there more phonemes (is that the right word)?

And 'other' - he can get the 'ther' part, but we have 'o' as in 'hot' or 'o' as in 'toe', when does it make an 'u' sound like in other (ie is there a rule I can teach him??)

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EverybodysSnowyEyed · 01/02/2012 22:36

I have been wondering this

DS is very good at sounding out so can read everything but there are words that don't sound out.

So far I have left him to it. so eg was comes out wrong but he realises it isn't a word and says the sentence over and decodes what it is that way. I would expect him to do that with 'other' too.

I think this is the time to teach them techniques other than sounding out and I would be interested to know what they are!

CecilyP · 01/02/2012 22:37

Eye is a single sound and a unique spelling so just has to be learned. Would is w/oul/d, like could and should and, as far as I know, these are the only words that follow this spelling pattern.

There are loads of words where the letter 'o' represents the sound 'u' eg, mother, brother, London, love, come, governor, onion, oven and many more. There isn't a rule. When he is reading to you, you can keep him right; as he gets older and is reading by himself, it will just be what makes sense.

Tiggles · 01/02/2012 22:40

With 'was' I told DS that if you have an 'a' after a 'w' it makes an 'o' sound. So words like 'what' etc he could then work out first time. He still finds it hysterically funny everynow and then to read 'w..a...s' rather than 'wos'.

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Tiggles · 01/02/2012 22:42

Thanks Cecily - I had thought of mother and brother but missed all the others, I'll just let him know that 'o' can make an 'u' sometimes, something else to add into his phonic collection :)

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maizieD · 01/02/2012 22:59

There is no such thing as a word that cannot be sounded out. CecilyP has just clearly explained what the letter/sound correspondences are; with that knowledge they are easy to sound out!

There are loads of words where the letter 'o' represents the sound 'u' eg, mother, brother, London, love, come, governor, onion, oven and many more. There isn't a rule.

Actually, there is a 'rule'! Apparently, several hundred years ago, when handwriting/letter formation was very angular, it was difficult to discriminate between letters like u, m, n, h, t, i & v; particularly if two or more were adjacent to each other. So the scribes substituted an 'o' for 'u' (still spelling an /uh/ sound, though) to make reading the script easier. If you look at words where 'o' represents an /uh/ you'll general find that there are one or more of those 'upright' letters adjacent to it. Money, honey, mother, onion...

I only found this out a few months (there's another one!) ago, despite having taught phonics for about 8 years! (And no, I don't know why it isn't pronounced 'phunics' Grin These 'rules' always have flipping exceptions...)

Tiggles · 02/02/2012 13:32

Maizie that makes perfect sense! Probably way over DSs head, but interesting nonetheless Grin.

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