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Choral scholarship/ chorister audition

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Downnotout · 28/01/2012 20:49

I appreciate some of you have expressed opinions on what being a chorister entails.

We have decided to let DD audition and see where it takes us. No pressure. Just for the experience. However we would like her to do her best.

Bearing in mind that we have one week to prepare and her repertoire so far is mainly musical theatre/ folk songs from grade work/ music festivals, her choral society sings anything from pop music to African chants, and she has to sing 2 songs. Do we go with what she knows or do we come up with some thing more "suitable".

I suppose what I mean is are they just listening to tone of voice, no matter what song you sing or are they expecting a performance of sacred music?

We never expected this , it has come out of the blue, so before you flame me for not being committed enough, please understand, this is something that doesn't even register on the radar of anyone I know so we are at a bit of a loss.

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MollieO · 28/01/2012 22:26

I imagine they will be able to tell what her voice is like from whatever she chooses to sing. I'd have thought it would be better for her to sing something she knows and enjoys singing than learning something specially.

It is a huge commitment. The school we've looked at estimate the choristers spend 20 hours a week singing and on top of that they have to learn two instruments and do all their academic work. I think their academic work can suffer and this isn't always considered by the senior schools. The head I spoke to said that some senior schools have absolutely no idea about the level of commitment required to be a choirister and the effect on schoolwork.

Ds will have the opportunity of doing a pre-audition to see whether it is worthwhile doing the main audition. If he does that he will also have to do entrance exams to ensure academically he is the standard required.

Good luck!

mummytime · 29/01/2012 08:47

She should go for something she can perform well, schools usually advise something from a lower grade might be better (so if she is doing grade 4 a grade 3 piece might show her talents best). If it is a thorough audition they may well ask her to learn something there, as in my experience Cathedral Choristers have to learn a lot of music quite fast (eg. given a solo at one rehearsal to sing at the next service).
The other thing that I know our Master of Choristers looks for is commitment by parents, which is why new Choristers here are usually probationers for a year. It is a big commitment.

Downnotout · 29/01/2012 09:48

Thank you? That really helps.

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Downnotout · 29/01/2012 09:53

Oops, stupid question mark! Changes the whole meaning. I meant-

Thank you! :)

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Tgger · 29/01/2012 21:12

I would contact the school admissions and ask them if it matters what she sings (if they haven't given any other information in that regard)- give them examples of what she is singing and see how they respond. If not, then definitely go with what she is happiest and most confident at singing.

Another tip would be to do a mini audition at home where you re-create (as far as possible!) the audition so she gets to practise singing to you "under pressure". If you're/she's not sure which songs are best then get her to perform a choice of 3/4/5 to you and pick what comes across best. Something she's performed before is normally a good bet and that shows off her voice.

Good luck to her!

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MollieO · 29/01/2012 21:32

I would talk to the Choir Master at the school she is planning to audition at. The one we are considering for ds is completely happy to meet with prospective choristers prior to the audition. In fact he encourages it.

Theas18 · 29/01/2012 21:36

Is this a voice trial and a what age? I absolutely agree get more info from the school if it's a Choral award for a choir school. I assume there will be academic tests as well as the voice trial.

My 3 have been/ are choristers at a cathedral with no choir school. Dd1 started at age11/yr7. Ds-and dd2 at 9yrs/ year 5 (the girls started taking " junior probationers " a few years after the eldest started.

The voice trial were very simple- sing something you love, a hymn that you were given ( may or ay not have been sight reading I can't remember ) and read something out loud. The master if music seemed to be able to tell from that- and I'm sure that dd2 made a real hash of it tbh but he saw that she would cope and be good in time.

It is a huge time commitment but within a choir school that is allowed for to a degree with rehearsals services and instrument practice time built into a bust timetable.

Can't recommend a chorister life highly enough for the right sort of child. It's an amazing musical training. I thin the skills learned extend beyond that though- personal organisation, comittmrnt and the ability to perform in front of people being just a few of them.

Both my elder 2 are still singing - 18yr old dd1 has a choral scholarship running along side her uni degree ( not music but she make take music further I suspect) and 16yr old ds sings in a large adult choral society ( and has one since age 14 lol).

Good luck to your dd!

Downnotout · 29/01/2012 22:03

I did ring and ask if they would prefer a particular style of song and they said no, any two songs she knows will do.

Her music teacher says DD is better at her musical theatre type songs but when I asked someone at DDs choral society they said they thought it best to avoid musical theatre and suggested DDs most recent solo,which was a Christmas song.

So I am stumped. We have been through her music tonight and have come up with cockles and Mussels, the Nightingale Bird, gypsy Rover, Castle on a Cloud, where is Love, How Far is it to Bethlehem and Little Boats which I have never heard before but she is practising it for a music festival.

Haha, no pressure, I said!

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Tgger · 29/01/2012 22:06

Do the mini audition thing- get other members of the family/friends in and then you can all vote for what you think is best. Ha ha, no pressure!!! Really I don't think it matters- I am a musician and you can hear quality in whatever anyone plays/sings, but two contrasting pieces is a good idea.

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Quattrocento · 29/01/2012 22:14

Just to echo what others have said - it's a huge commitment. Be prepared for your DD's motivation to flag at certain points. Be prepared for your own to flag at certain points. You will, as a parent, be expected to support the choir and the cathedral (if there is a cathedral involved - you haven't said - but I assume so. As a card-carrying atheist, I must admit I can think of many better things to do than sit on a hard pew twice on Sundays ...

On what to sing, I really wouldn't worry about it. Let her sing exactly what she wants to. Whatever she enjoys most. Don't rehearse her too much - best let them see her warts and all. DS sang Jerusalem and Zadok the Priest, but he refused even to sing them through once with us before trundling himself off to the audition.

Downnotout · 29/01/2012 22:16

Thank you Tgger. I expect that whatever she sings they will know what they are listening for. I just wondered what others had sung and if they would be expecting Pie Jesu or Ave Maria, DD has no experience of anything along those lines.

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mummytime · 30/01/2012 06:43

For my DDs audition she didn't need to prepare any pieces, the Master of Choristers just did a vocal test, but this is a choir without a school place attached. It was very similar to the one the boys do at 7 at their prep school. However the Master o Choristers did already know my daughter, so I think that helped.
Hymns though are the simplest and the least of the things the choir sing on the whole.
The worst thing you could sing is something that you can't sing well. So Castle in the Cloud done well is much better than Ave Maria doen badly.

Downnotout · 05/02/2012 11:40

Thanks to all who posted.

Dd did really well and they have offered the choral scholarship.

Big decisions to make!

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TRL · 05/02/2012 12:13

Wow! Well done, your DD!

Quattrocento · 05/02/2012 12:19

Congratulations!

It's worth it imo, great musical training, tight knit and close group of friends, and a real feeling of all for one and one for all. Have fun!

toughnut · 29/06/2013 11:36

My advice is a warning: don't send your son to a boarding school aged 8 - it's far too young!

Other reasons:

FOOD and DIET. School dinners are OK once a day, but do you really trust schools to feed your child really well 24/7? In my son's first year at school he would get into trouble (actually, he received punishments) for spending too long in the toilet. Basically, his body had to get used to a diet that was severely lacking in fresh fruit and vegetables. He was also expected to get energy from snack foods which he barely recognised as food at first - ie the cheapest varieties of biscuits - on a regular (2-3 times a day) basis. Apart this, he is a slow and fussy eater, so often doesn't eat enough. As a result, he is often cold and for well over a year suffered from a cough which everybody comments on but could do nothing to resolve.

READING. Before my son went to boarding school, he was an avid reader - and he still when I create appropriate conditions at home. However, at boarding school this habit was (not literally) beaten out of him. He is now 'afraid' (!!!) to read - even on bright summer mornings when he wakes up early before 7. They are allocated something like 10 - 15 mins each evening for reading (which, you can imagine why, is always less). If you are caught reading at any other time, you risk having either your book or torch or both confiscated.

YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION. Extensive research has shown just how important and effective parental involvement is. It is the single most important thing caregivers can do to help children succeed academically (Cummins, 1993; Hannon, 1996; Morrison and Cooney, 2002). Studies have proved how these experiences as a child set them apart academically from their peers by age 15 (Borgonovi, 2011). It is the ?genuine interest and active engagement? of the caregiver that is most important, and not their specialist knowledge. Is this clear? If not I'll tell you more...

My son, a boarder, almost never finishes his homework. This is because he is, like many children, a little slow to get started, always has quite a few questions to ask, and takes longer than most children. There is nobody at the boarding who ever notices or bothers to help although it is a well-known problem that he has. The educational results are quite as bad as you would imagine them to be: when my son started life as a chorister, he could have chosen which school/scholarship to take. Now he has no choice - currently, he wouldn't pass the CE for ANY reasonable private school. He is up the river without a paddle - we cannot afford private education without a scholarship. BEWARE! Unless your child is HIGHLY gifted academically and a VERY FAST worker - DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER THIS OPTION. The school may well be academic, but boarding will not do your child any favours whatsoever.

FREE-TIME IS SEVERELY LACKING. My son has little/no free time - to just relax and be a child.

They have a very busy schedule all week - until bed-time. On Saturdays: school, and sport, and rehearsals and service. On Sundays: usually two services and rehearsals. If he has spare time on the Sunday afternoon, he HAS TO go out on an expedition somewhere.

After the Christmas choir-time, he has about 5 free days, and then he has to start revising intensively for school exams in January. The Easter holidays are broken by 10 days of choir-time, as are the summer holidays. The summer half-term is spent revising for the summer school exams. Other holidays have to be arranged so that your child can continue to practise their musical instruments. At school they actually do not get enough time to practise - especially if they have 2 instruments - so it is up to parents to create conditions on their children's holidays to ensure they have time to make some headway.

Remember, if you are not rich and your child is not brilliant academically, a music scholarship with a bursary is the only thing that will save your child from going to the local comprehensive school - and only the local sink school has places available in Year 9.

COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS. Contact with parents is HEAVILY discouraged - even phone calls. You'll be lucky if you can have 5 mins in an evening on the phone - and this is never a conversation that is held in private.

YOUR SANITY. To be a good parent these days, you need also to work. When a child leaves the home at the age of 8 it is like suffering a death in the family. Remember - you will have to endure 5 years of mourning and grieving while you wait for your child to finish their duty. How will your mood effect your ability to function at all, let alone work?

YOUR ATTITUDE TO C of E. The pain of separation from your child will make you start to loathe church music and despise the league of ridiculously-dressed pompous priests that stroll around the cathedral preaching pointlessly the about things like the love of God, while doing their very best to spit (can't think of a better word at the moment) on the love that parents have for their children. In my experience, they do absolutely everything they can to keep you at arms lengths from your child. So, my advice is: DO NOT - for God's sake - LET THEM!

BULLYING. I think I mentioned before that I discovered after one whole year only. Staff did not notice! Even though they are good and very reasonable people. NOBODY can care for your child better than you can. NOBODY knows your child better than you.

In parentis loco: it is just not possible if there 50 boys around! Think! Use your common sense!!!! Don't try to suspend your disbelief as I did. Trust your instincts. They are right. Don't be fooled by the prestige or the name of the organisation.

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