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so.... was I the only mum in the country who forgot the ID docs for primary application?

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ChipsnCheese · 11/01/2012 22:36

Thank gawd i realised with 4 days to go!
Just in case you, like me, are so stressed about the choice of schools that you didn't read properly/forgot/ignored the important bit. Don't forget to check what you need to attach - ctax bill, birth cert, etc. Otherwise your months of anguish over which order to list your schools will be in vain.
But if I was the only mum in the country etc etc, then sorry to have wasted your time in reading this!!

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lborolass · 11/01/2012 22:38

I don't think this is a universal requirement - I didn't have to send anything when I applied for my DCs ,or if I did they allocated a place anyway Smile

fivegomadindorset · 11/01/2012 22:39

No ID' docs needed here.

TheSpreadingChestnutTree · 11/01/2012 22:42

Ours is all done online. You only need to send extra docs if the school requires baptismal certificates.

Catsdontcare · 11/01/2012 22:42

Nope not required here either.

AndiMac · 12/01/2012 09:32

I didn't exactly forget them when I was applying last year. But I did forget that we were on holidays in Australia during the last 3 weeks of application time! I sent an email to admissions explaining this and started wondering how easy it would be for the neighbour looking after the house to dig through piles of paperwork to find the right documents.

But I got an email back saying that as I had filled in the application form and submitted them within the deadline (months earlier actually), my application was counted as having arrived on time and I could send the documents up to the end of January to substantiate. Big relief on my part! I wouldn't take this as gospel for everywhere, but it might reassure a few people.

telsa · 12/01/2012 10:45

I forgot! Luckily we still have time - now where is that council tax bill.......amazing that the council can gather so much money off me regularly, but still isn't certain I live here!

roadkillbunny · 12/01/2012 12:21

Thank goodness we don't have to include anything like this for our applications!
I did have a mini panic at the weekend, the school is a CofE village primary and my dd is already in Y2 there and we live in the village itself so way inside the catchment area. When applying for my dd's place 3 years ago I we had to fill in the schools own supplementary form however this time round I studied the requirements on the online application and (along with others) interpreted it as we only had to do the supplementary form if we were applying for the school under religious criteria so I had done and dusted the online form some time ago and sat back smugly in the knowledge it was all done. At a birthday party at the weekend the school application thing came up as did the supplementary form, I put my oar in with the 'not needed' interpretation as long as you are not after getting in on religious grounds only to have another parent, who has a child in Y1 say that they had filled it in and the school secretary had told them they did need to do it! In a small panic I dashed into the office on Monday to try and get to the bottom of it and get the form quickly to fill out only to find out that I was right, I didn't need it, especially as we are not practising CofE. It transpires that the other Mum had been told to do the form as they are out of catchment and had been advised by the school to tick all the bases they could as catchment siblings and catchment children are higher priority then non catchment siblings and with an intake of 20 it has been known (in my dd's year in fact) for non catchment sibling not to get a place. I was placated and told not to worry, we are in the inner catchment and have a sibling already at the school, we couldn't be any higher priority unless ds was a LAC or had a statement. The supplementary form would only come into play it we were in a lower category, phewww!
It gets just a tiny tiny bit stressful even for people like myself who are in the enviable position of being almost guaranteed a place at a truly outstanding school even though it is was oversubscribed, I say almost as you never know, 12 to 15 more families might materialise closer with sibling already at the school (I know for some people this is something that possibly could happen but in our situation it is actually impossible but I don't like to use the impossible word, call it superstition!), as the deadline draws in it does whip up this feeling of panic and paranoia even for the lucky few like myself, I will be glad when the whole dram thing is over!
(see was meant to be a short post, I am truly losing the plot!)

EdithWeston · 12/01/2012 12:32

You do need to check carefully. It's a while ago for us, but proof of address was needed with the application and proof of child's age at some point.

dandelionss · 12/01/2012 12:35

don't need it here for either primary ot secondary.just an online form

MoaningMinnieWhingesAgain · 12/01/2012 12:36

Not needed here, applied online.

signet · 12/01/2012 15:07

Never needed any documents here either.

BoffinMum · 12/01/2012 15:12

This is not normally required, nor is this requirement legal!

ChipsnCheese · 12/01/2012 16:48

Interesting! Deffo a requirement here - I phoned up to check! online or paper form - both need three docs attached.
Good luck everyone - only 4 months to wait for the outcome!

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BoffinMum · 12/01/2012 19:13

Well, it discriminates against families without a permanent address, those who are in tied accommodation (for example) but who don't pay their own bills, and those who don't drive or travel abroad. It might be considered reasonable to ask for a birth certificate, for example, but legally they do not prove identity in any way as anyone could apply for a copy of anyone else's. Plus if you were born overseas the clerk concerned may not be able to read it anyway, and it would be unreasonable to demand that someone goes to the expense of acquiring an official translation at considerable expense, simply in order to take up a school place, given that they are legally obliged to send their children to school anyway. I would be very interested to hear the view of any legal people reading this thread ...

meditrina · 12/01/2012 19:32

I think they want proof of age to ensure you are applying for the right year (most UK children have BCs, and those who have arrived in this country will have passports or documents attesting to age given at arrival if they came without documents).

Proof of address is most usually asked for (and followed up) in areas with a history of applicants using false details. There's usually quite a long list of acceptable ID.

IwishIwasmoreorganised · 12/01/2012 19:54

None required here.

We're in catchment with a sibling so I'm very optimistic that we'll get our first choice.

BeattieBow · 12/01/2012 19:57

I did attach those, but I keep meaning to phone them to double check that my application has gone through. I really stress that I have missed something and the application will not be considered.

3duracellbunnies · 12/01/2012 20:01

We had to take ours in to school office with acceptance forms after offer of place was received. Couldn't find child benefit letter but they were happy with her nhs medical card which is sent out when registered with dr.

headfairy · 12/01/2012 20:10

Is anyone else getting increasingly nervous that they've not filled the form in correctly? I filled out the application online in early September, but I'm still shitting it that I've done something wrong. I dont' think we had to include documents, will double check tomorrow when I'm not so knackered and less likely to completely misread or fuck it up We did have to include our council tax reference number. That's about it.

God this is bloody heart in mouth time. Four months of sweating to find out if ds is going to the lovely friendly school across the common, or the scary school full of bullies and thugs down the road!

4madboys · 12/01/2012 20:12

none required here, did it online, we are out of catchment but he has two siblings at the school so i only put that down, no other choices, they phoned me to check i didnt want to put any others down and when i said no they said he may not get a place and legally he has to go to school etc, at which point i interrupted and said NO he legally has to be educated, if he doesnt get a place i will keep him at home until one become available! Grin

admission · 12/01/2012 20:48

I would love a local authority to tell me under what regs they are able to demand all this extra information by the application date.
Paragraph 180 says that Local Authorities and admission authorities may ask for proof of address in order to establish whether oversubscription criteria are met.
Paragraph 181 goes further and says that admission authorities may request a short birth certificate as proof of date of birth once an offer of a school has been made but must not request "long" birth certificates or other documents including passports that contain information about parents.
That is not a call for everybody to not furnish the information, far from it, just my frustration that Local Authorities seem to want to complicate things more and more.

BoffinMum · 12/01/2012 21:15

Local Authorities think they are doing us a huge favour by providing school places, and we should jump through hoops as necessary to prove our entitlement, in fact any hoops they can think up, however bureaucratic and inconvenient.

They forget we pay for them and we work for us.

CrispLeCrisp · 12/01/2012 21:18

No documents required here Confused

ChipsnCheese · 12/01/2012 21:37

headfairy - yes I am nervous - especially since my almost almighty docs fuck up - after having thought I was sorted weeeeeks ago! If you got sent a confirmation email, check that for anything else you need to do. It's in the small print of ours, as well as somewhere in the website and booklet.

I was personally a bit miffed that it wasn't flagged up in red when i pressed submit. - you know, like when you order something online and your credit card details are wrong?

I'm amazed at the different requirements across the country that this thread has thrown up. But considering many school catchments in my borough are less than 0.2 miles, i can see the 'no fixed abode' argument not cutting it here. otherwise I'd be kipping on a friend's settee right now!

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ChipsnCheese · 12/01/2012 21:43

p.s.
Just for clarity's sake, here's the bit copied from my admissions process:

" ^When making an application for a place in a Reception class, you must supply proof of your child's date of birth. This should be a photocopy of your child's birth certificate, NHS medical card, current Child Benefit letter or passport. Please do not send original copies of these documents as these can not be returned.
You must also supply two proofs of your home address. These must be a photocopy of your current Council Tax statement and one of the following: a copy of the most recent Child Benefit letter or a gas or electricity bill dated within three months of 15 January 2012 or a copy of your rent or mortgate statement (dated within one year). Please do not send original copies of these documents as these can not be returned.
A far more convenient way for you to provide these proofs is to scan them and attach them to your online application.^ "

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